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everything okay alright then let's keep

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so are we live now you were live now

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okay wonderful okay now I left off with

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basically the events leading up to what

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later happened in The Smoking Gun memo

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so let's uh let me go through that again

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basically three events and spread out

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over a period of 11 years the panelists

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for all this began with a meeting that

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we know about between that six man to

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walk on the moon Edgar Mitchell Steven

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Greer who was working with Mitchell back

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in 1997 when this meeting took place and

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Admiral Wilson who was a high-ranking

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naval intelligence officer that meeting

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actually took place I the three people I

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just mentioned have all confirmed it

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in 2008 that the meeting did in fact

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take place there has been some

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disagreement over the years as to what

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the follow-up of that was the follow-up

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document is basically that the whole

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thing did happen and that the Admiral

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what happened as a result of that 97

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meeting that did happen to Eric Davis so

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sorry about that but yeah let's pick it

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up from there if we can Michael the

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meeting allegedly taking place on let's

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let me check that date again the meeting

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April 9th or a knife got it okay April

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night okay

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Juliano my rank of [\h__\h] it says maybe

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the tenth but Edgar Mitchell is saying

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that it did take place on the 9th of

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so it's in that ballpark here okay okay

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got it all right and then we've got

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let's the this meeting let's go to the

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the early pages here let me pull up the

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documents themselves so I can refer to

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them it'll be easier for me to see it on

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my my computer screen in a separate

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windows we'll be able to keep it a

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little bit more track here there is only

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now you've mentioned the scientist dr.

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Eric Davis I explained who he is

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your aunt actually how he got in touch

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with Admiral Wilson in the first place

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because I think that is a part of the

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story that needs to be told this is a

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high-level government scientist Eric

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Davis one of probably the most

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intelligent hominids on the planet I'm

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telling you and this guy basically has

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been dogging many of the high ranking

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people in the military and everything

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trying to find information about UFO

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crash retrievals and it I want to give

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kudos initially to dr. Davis and and of

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course to Admiral Wilson for actually

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even agreeing to have this meeting where

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we end up finally getting notes from the

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meeting about what took place oh sorry

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about that chan I thought you were going

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to jump in there okay yeah then they

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have this meeting and the very first

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intersection of Greer and Paradise now I

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don't know if you've run this down but

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the EG&G special projects building so

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what we've got that a local map up and

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is the name of the current parent

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your owner of EG&G I don't know if

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anybody's run that down and laid that

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it's a you know likely the same building

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this is almost certainly where the

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meeting took place so I want that folks

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to get a good look at it that part

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checks out that's very good Michael yeah

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and by the way dr. Davis is told by his

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contacts to show up at 10 o'clock sharp

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a.m. in the morning behind her at the

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special project going at EG&G so he can

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have his meeting with Admiral Wilson now

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the first note which is a little

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humorous I believe on this transcript is

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a note by dr. Davis that the Admiral was

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10 minutes late so actually has anyone

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confirmed that Wilson was in Las Vegas

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good question that might be something

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that you know okay going back and asking

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him hey did you meet with Eric Davis and

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tell them all about the crash retrieval

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program he's probably gonna say no but I

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mean if he was there it said he was

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yeah if that was mentioned in the in the

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Wilson's purpose he didn't travel to

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I'm not sure okay purpose of him being

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there but the idea was is that he is

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Petty Officer driver and two other

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uniformed officers on a naval officers I

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believe in this major this staff car and

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the Admiral is dressed in civilian

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clothes in a suit so he's retired at

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really don't want to scroll through that

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reason Eric Davis is in Vegas is because

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he lives there yeah okay yeah he was

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finally getting this meeting that he's

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the two of them dr. Davis and Admiral

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while the other guys leave and go to a

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meeting inside the building and for the

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next hour and ten minutes is basically

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how this interview took place and Eric

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to the Admiral this is a something that

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he might even be taking simultaneous

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notes you know to kind of supplement it

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detailed that that he probably is

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recording and then he's going to

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transcribe it immediately thereafter

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shortly thereafter and apparently the

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reason that Wilson is willing to meet

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with Davis is that because of the a okay

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from somebody named okie Shannon you

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know anything more about that fella

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that's a name that's new to me have you

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looked into him watch well i cursorily

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looked into who okie Shannon in and he

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is a longtime insider military naval

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commander that is a longtime friend of

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Admiral Wilson so basically Admiral

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that the only reason he's meeting with

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him is okie okie Davis okie Shannon gave

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him the go-ahead and in vouched for dr.

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Davis I didn't look too closely at okie

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Shannon but the only thing that I really

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found that was a venturi I'm sorry you

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understand that okay Shannon has

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recently passed away or is so ill he

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cannot talk or give any information out

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John Alexander I was trying to think of

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somebody who J a might be and well those

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initials fit any thoughts on that

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don't trust J a a liar blah blah blah J

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like it much yes okay actually this is

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my understanding that it is John

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Alexander okay okay and then the

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document kind of shifts gears and

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will Miller yes and will Miller was one

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of the people present with Steven Greer

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will Miller sending this letter to dr.

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actually it's about some some business

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very fascinating right and I want to get

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to that but I want to tell the folks at

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home that over the last couple of days

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chanting I to interview will Miller yeah

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had some obviously some very interesting

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here and let me I gotta zoom in a little

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bit on my monitor here to read that

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particular point but well firstly yeah

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the interview because it was pretty

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interesting I think I there was some

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talk actually of having you on Sunday

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and I didn't want to do that because we

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didn't have this a bit of information

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nailed down at that point that we had

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these last couple of days and like I

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said I was able to talk to commander

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Miller yesterday and then chant was able

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to do the same today and let's see oh

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yeah well the point regarding the letter

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Miller's comment I spoke to him

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yesterday he had not seen it he it was

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conversation he stressed skepticism

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towards any leaked documents yeah before

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that his name is all over it so he was

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the recent releases no one had contacted

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him about them so nobody's contacted

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this guy let me jump in here and add

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that as Eric Davis is basically provided

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a few different researchers with a no

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comment

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and as far as I know no one has

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attempted to contact Wilson and at this

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point I think the thing to do is if you

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can't pin it down independently would be

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to contact him directly and see if he's

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actually in Vegas on that date to try to

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you know add a little bit more

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credibility to the document itself you

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know if you yeah it would be a problem

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for you let's put it this way it would

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be a problem for you Michael if we

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turned out he was actually in

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Minneapolis on that date would not well

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you know I am going to defer to Richard

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Dolan on the the actual document itself

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and how difficult or easy it is going to

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be to debunk okay as you know basically

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Richard Dolan is calling this the UFO

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document leak of potentially this

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century I understand he is also saying

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that this document is so detailed and

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named so many people so many programs so

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many dates that is going to be very

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difficult to to actually debunk itself

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so even if someone comes up with

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information that says that commander

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will hurt the Admiral Wilson was not in

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Vegas on that day you got a warrant

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wonder why would someone go to the

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details of this 15 page document and put

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everything else in order that seems to

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check out it's very interesting yeah

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well yeah I mean I could I could tell

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you right now there are there people who

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like you know basically hoaxing the UFO

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community I mean they're out there you

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know it's been done before but again let

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me yeah let me go a little bit further

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with my interview with commander Miller

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all right now when I spoke to him

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yesterday you could not remember if he

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had written Davis a letter he didn't

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know anything about it at that point he

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hadn't seen him chant contacted him

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today after he did have a chance to look

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it over and basically he told

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chant that he thinks it might be a

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cut-and-paste and it of multiple letters

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he might have sent to someone other than

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Davis he doesn't recall Davis at all he

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says yeah there are a couple things in

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particular in there he said he mentioned

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their paragraph mentioning Bob Beckwith

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that that looked to him like something

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he definitely wrote but he also said

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that he never had knowledge of dealing

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with recovered et vehicles so that

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section of the letter he would not have

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written he's saying that he did not

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write that so it looks you know his

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position after looking it over says it

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looks like somebody got hold of some

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correspondence that I sent out but and

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some of those paragraphs look legit but

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some of the other stuff no no no that

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that's not me

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okay that's where he's at he also stated

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that Eric Davis was not at that meeting

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with he and Bob Beckwith and on that

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evening and so he was wondering how

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anybody would want to connect or why

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anybody would want to connect Eric Davis

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to that period of time regarding he and

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mr. Bob Beckwith having that actual

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meeting which he did confirm they did

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have and so he had a concern about that

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and he also did state as because I had

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about a 35 minute interview with him

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today that this letter was stitched

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together and there are a few areas that

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he knows he did not he's not responsible

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for at all like they're fiction pure

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fiction

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and then other areas that he's he does

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say genuinely do sound like what he

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would write in the manner in the style

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in which he would write but that this

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absolutely was stitched together it's

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literally a collage of information and

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also he mentioned yeah sort of the the

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header the letterhead on it yes he was

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gonna say well basically I did ask him

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about that and he said that anybody can

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actually take the letterhead

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that insignia and put it on a letter and

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so that didn't make that that was not

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authentic to him because he said that he

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would have a much crisper clear let her

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head

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I understand people will say well that

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could be a copy of a copy of a copy but

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again just want to restate that this

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letter does not ring true to him he said

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he does not know Eric Davis and we went

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into detail regarding Eric Davis he said

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that he does not recall ever having

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associated with him at any point in time

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ever ad so that's something that's

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really important to note and let me ask

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a question though go ahead

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there is one strange thing that in this

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letter mentions at the very bottom about

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his question this would be will Miller's

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question to them about a potential

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pepper spray manufacturer did come

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commander Miller mentioned that that was

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something that he said or did he deny

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all of the thing other than the fact

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that that with meaning to police and

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yeah I can find out from him because

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he's been very responsive to me Oh

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wonderful well yeah what cuz I actually

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spoke to him I actually communicated

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with him twice today oh good what else

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whatever doctor once what Michael let me

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tell you something well I was just gonna

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ask he said that he confirmed her denied

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certain things what else did he actually

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confirm from this letter um wait it

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doesn't relate to the letter so yeah you

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finish up with a letter and then to make

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things we talked about all right all

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right

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well yeah also he said that regarding

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the the Wilson Mitchel Greer meeting

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that there were some follow-up obviously

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agree or in Mitchell basically saying

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some of the things that turn up in this

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memo that Wilson was threatened that he

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wasn't allowed access and so on

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basically all the details that the memo

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goes into and commander Miller took with

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more of Wilson side on this

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that he said that eventually essentially

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what the Wilson said to Billy Cox was

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accurate that there really was no

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follow-through and that also yeah this

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is getting back to Davis he does not

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believe Wilson would have met with Davis

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that's basically our my thumbnail notes

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from the other stuff that we got now one

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thing that this was actually idling

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enough one of the most important

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questions that I had to ask him because

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we had you on the show before and I've

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gone through a lot of old known fuzzy

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material in there there are certain

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tropes certain patterns that they use

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and that I thought it was very

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interesting that when you get the page

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13 second act

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okay I'm page 13 I thought this was

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really interesting and you know I'm

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really into this but that towards the

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end there I finally see it and what I

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see is the Miller questions ask this is

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why I feel so lucky that I was able to

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talk to this guy he is that that

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commander Miller returned my call

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because this to me really jumped out as

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being very very odd and very reminiscent

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of a fuzzy type material now will Miller

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is an inside guy and he's also somebody

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who is interested in UFOs he does

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communicate about him he is interested

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but what Miller is supposedly asking are

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cording to the Admiral on page 13 is

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that he's asking about Roswell okay not

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unreasonable there he's asking about the

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Holloman Air Force Base landing and he's

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also asking about Socorro of the Zamora

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case and I have to tell you that this is

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absolutely something that has happened

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in the serpo material where there's an

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attempt to tie these immoral landing and

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that saying that the Holloman Air Force

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Base meeting was actually the same date

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as a smaller case that lumping those

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together like that is a very curious to

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me and again is a kind of a pattern and

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if you look at the pattern that takes

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place in the the story of this memo

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where the Admiral Admiral Wilson

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recounts his tale of being led into the

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room of a a corporation that is a

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control aerospace corporation that is

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controlling this UFO functioning

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material this craft it's a very

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reminiscent of the briefing that Reagan

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got in the the serpo material and it's

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right down to let me see if I can find

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that so there's the list of all the the

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Miller questions asked okay and

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basically asking about a lot of no no

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fuzzy stuff of mj-12 and leaked

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documents or more back up there with the

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Holloman Air Force Base obviously yeah

448
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bet words I Rendell's from for us that's

449
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a solid case but there they all are

450
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lumped together very very oddly and that

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that struck me as being a very odd so

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one of the questions that I wanted to

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ask the commander when I had the chance

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to talk to him was you know these are

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the questions that you supposedly asked

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do they mean anything to you you know

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and it doesn't it doesn't make sense

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that a guy with your kind of background

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is going to be asking about this

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particular list of questions and he said

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he he'd never been interested in Sicario

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and the Socorro case he really didn't

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know too much about it and he asked he

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actually asked me for some details about

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it not in a little bit we talked a

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little bit about the case but he said

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the eve really didn't know that much

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about it and that's what strikes me as

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odd like you know you're going to

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remember what your favorite cases are

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you're going to remember the cases that

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you asked about in a particular meeting

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or you're feeding questions to the

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Admiral it's not clear whether he's at

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this meeting or not with the with the

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corporate types that we'll get into a

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little bit later on but what he does say

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that he doesn't know this case and it

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doesn't make any sense that somebody

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would be asking about this case at what

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they within the context of the memo is a

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very important meeting and then you know

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years later you're not going to forget

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what your favorite cases are you're

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gonna remember why you like them and

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that has the ring of not being true to

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me that has the ring of disposing of

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fuzzy disinformation and

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I kind of talked about it and I'm seeing

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it here and I'm seeing it and the I'm

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getting confirmation of it from

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commander the commander you know I've

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got looking through these documents I've

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got some real problems with him there

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Michael well one thing I think we need

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to clarify there there are titled Miller

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questions here that commander Wilson was

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asking this private civilian contractor

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once he finally got a meeting with these

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folks right and the implication and the

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context that that's presented is that

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these are questions that that Miller

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wanted answered whether he's actually in

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the meeting or whether the the Admiral

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is passing them along just to get him

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answering well you made a very correct

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distinction right there these are

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questions that Miller had asked during

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the previous 1997 meeting with dr.

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Mitchell and Steven Greer they is

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supposedly in this meeting they talked

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privately for two hours after the

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briefing will Miller and Admiral Wilson

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so basically Admiral Wilson now is kind

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of remembering those issues and

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questions that they were talking about

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there's no attribution that the

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commander Miller

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actually knows the details of the Lonnie

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Zamora or the Bentwaters or the even the

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Holloman Base Air Force Base landing

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supposedly so it might be incorrect to

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assume that these are his favorite cases

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will Miller's it might be more correct

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to assume that these are things that he

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is very interested in would like to know

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the answers okay and as the meeting goes

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on let's say get a little bit more into

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the meeting itself I was jumping ahead a

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little bit but once they get past the

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letter it gets into the meat of you know

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well basically the Admirals Admiral

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Wilson's sort of a journey to ending up

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in that meeting with these these unnamed

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corporate types well Frank let's not

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skip over the meat of the matter of the

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letter of four particulars that this

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letter is claiming that will Miller can

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provide to how put off and dr. Davis did

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you happen to ask commander Miller

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whether he actually made these

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statements about billion government a

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company that can do reverse engineering

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and involved on the East Coast you know

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the big supposedly a flap on the East

546
00:24:45,299 --> 00:24:42,670
Coast I'm wondering if he denied

547
00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:45,309
specifically any of those four things

548
00:24:49,169 --> 00:24:47,260
that are mentioned in this letter well

549
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,179
some of them we got some of them he said

550
00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:52,000
definitely and he also certainly was

551
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:54,790
clear that he had no knowledge of any

552
00:24:59,700 --> 00:24:56,710
kind of eg technology or working with

553
00:25:05,820 --> 00:24:59,710
anything along those lines so some of

554
00:25:07,650 --> 00:25:05,830
them meaning how many all four we didn't

555
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:07,660
ask the specific questions that you came

556
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:08,260
up with

557
00:25:12,570 --> 00:25:11,049
we had other questions oh well these

558
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:12,580
aren't questions these are just things

559
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:14,590
that it are in the memo saying that he

560
00:25:21,539 --> 00:25:17,860
knew about and was able to supply to a

561
00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:21,549
you know to Davis well I was just

562
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:23,620
wondering if he's denying specifically

563
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:26,049
all these four items and anybody can

564
00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:27,730
read these items now so it's not like a

565
00:25:33,330 --> 00:25:30,940
secret but I sure would like I'm I'm the

566
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:33,340
attorney on the cross-examination stand

567
00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:36,010
trying to find out okay what about these

568
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,780
things that are listed in here can you

569
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:40,480
confirm or deny any one of them or all

570
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:42,970
of them okay yeah I can ask him that he

571
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:47,200
did say that he does know how put off

572
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:49,510
but he doesn't like him he never like

573
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:52,540
communicated with him like you know in

574
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:53,110
person

575
00:26:01,140 --> 00:25:55,330
it was always in a sort of an indirect

576
00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:01,150
manner but also he does know John

577
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:05,740
Alexander and he does not know KITT Kate

578
00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:08,770
green at all who doesn't know him but it

579
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:10,900
sounds to me that he's totally denying

580
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,270
to both of you then he brought this

581
00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:16,000
letter to Eric Davis oh yes absolutely

582
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:20,860
he's saying that he does not have

583
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:23,890
anything to do with this letter and that

584
00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:27,160
it was stitched together and parts of it

585
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:28,590
have a

586
00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:31,740
stitching together are fictional and

587
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:34,830
other parts are genuine from letters

588
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:38,519
he's had in the past and uh and that

589
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:41,070
Beckwith a meeting was absolutely

590
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:44,070
correct that that did occur but that

591
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,440
Erik Davis had nothing to do with it and

592
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:48,600
then just for the heck of it I did I

593
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:50,730
know it's not relevant but I asked him

594
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:52,230
if he knew grant Cameron are you and he

595
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,360
says he doesn't know either one of you

596
00:26:59,779 --> 00:26:56,220
not that he should I just you know I

597
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,789
just asked anyway yeah good for you but

598
00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:01,860
she does know Don Alexander and he does

599
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:05,669
know him well yes yes definitely and

600
00:27:10,340 --> 00:27:08,700
specifically the strange request at the

601
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,350
very end of the letter about this pepper

602
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:13,440
spray manufacturing company did he deny

603
00:27:18,259 --> 00:27:15,240
that that is anything he ever wrote

604
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:18,269
that's not a specific I got into yeah I

605
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:20,369
didn't get into that but I can ask him

606
00:27:25,639 --> 00:27:23,490
that tonight because indeed if the

607
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,649
Beckwith thing is correct at the very

608
00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:27,539
top of the letter I'm wondering at the

609
00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:29,070
very end of the letter there is this

610
00:27:32,989 --> 00:27:30,840
thing thrown in it has nothing to do

611
00:27:34,639 --> 00:27:32,999
with the other items that are listed

612
00:27:36,259 --> 00:27:34,649
there I'm wondering if that is correct

613
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,269
either and someone might have just

614
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,480
pasted all of these things in the middle

615
00:27:43,609 --> 00:27:41,039
that would give us a little clue if he

616
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:43,619
is confirming the final paragraph of

617
00:27:50,859 --> 00:27:45,230
this letter

618
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:50,869
well he can't okay so we went over the

619
00:27:59,840 --> 00:27:54,990
document and he said that he does not

620
00:28:02,450 --> 00:27:59,850
believe it's authentic right but he did

621
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:02,460
you did agree that this Beckwith meeting

622
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:05,700
happened it did so this is what the my

623
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:09,600
this is sort of what my question was in

624
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:11,970
that and I'll ask him this later and

625
00:28:17,299 --> 00:28:15,720
that is I do also cannot forget to

626
00:28:19,789 --> 00:28:17,309
mention by the way before I say what I'm

627
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,799
gonna say is that he did not find this

628
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:21,960
letter in any of his files either

629
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:24,450
because he did look for it he did

630
00:28:30,249 --> 00:28:27,570
research regarding this letter he looked

631
00:28:33,859 --> 00:28:30,259
it up in his files and it was not there

632
00:28:35,989 --> 00:28:33,869
just as an extra because he was asked

633
00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:35,999
about it why would he look why would he

634
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:37,590
look for if he knew that he didn't write

635
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:41,740
it because he was asked about it

636
00:28:46,769 --> 00:28:44,350
so he did his own due diligence and

637
00:28:52,169 --> 00:28:46,779
there was no letter of that sort in his

638
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:52,179
files okay some words he went looked yes

639
00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:55,330
and he is saying that despite that

640
00:29:02,820 --> 00:28:59,230
research he can also say with confidence

641
00:29:04,529 --> 00:29:02,830
that this letter is not authentic from

642
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:04,539
him it's not he did not write this

643
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:06,809
letter and he doesn't know Eric Davis

644
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:10,570
and then no so this this sort of begs

645
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:14,490
the question now how would anybody know

646
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,120
that he had a meeting with Beckwith Bob

647
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:22,140
and so that just sort of makes me wonder

648
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:25,870
is this some kind of a situation where

649
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:30,130
somebody had access to his files or some

650
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:34,559
files somewhere someone's files and took

651
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:39,039
part and parcel from those files having

652
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:42,760
to do with these folks and then stitched

653
00:29:48,899 --> 00:29:45,880
him together because one part of this

654
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:48,909
letter is authentic and other parts to

655
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:50,890
him sound like you know the style the

656
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:53,980
cadence and how he might write but the

657
00:29:58,350 --> 00:29:56,140
rest of it does not look like what he

658
00:30:01,139 --> 00:29:58,360
would write at all and he has nothing to

659
00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:01,149
do with UFO crash retrievals or UFO

660
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,029
anything he did he did say he has

661
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:06,880
nothing to do with any kind of et

662
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:10,809
technology whatsoever so my question

663
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:13,390
then is and I know he couldn't answer

664
00:30:19,019 --> 00:30:15,990
this but it's just an open question

665
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:19,029
would that be with this letter have been

666
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:22,360
put together by a counter by an

667
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,220
intelligence agent it could be first you

668
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:29,919
are yeah it's very interesting to me

669
00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:33,190
that commander Miller let me ask you I

670
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:36,429
mean Michael where I've obviously got

671
00:30:40,649 --> 00:30:38,169
some problems with the whole document

672
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:40,659
but I suppose that somebody could have

673
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,490
taken there the legitimate Eric Davis

674
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:44,559
notes and just popped this letter in

675
00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:46,690
there yeah yeah it's generally not

676
00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:48,700
connected at all with that's what I'm

677
00:30:52,919 --> 00:30:50,380
that's what I'm getting that too because

678
00:30:55,049 --> 00:30:52,929
it's very interesting that commander

679
00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:55,059
Miller is confirming that this beckwith

680
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:56,230
meeting took place

681
00:31:01,680 --> 00:30:58,990
and in the letter itself it's mentioning

682
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:01,690
that mr. Beckworth who's a quite a

683
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:04,350
famous scientist here is working on a

684
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:06,850
forced model unit of the universe

685
00:31:13,379 --> 00:31:09,750
including research and levitation trance

686
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:13,389
teleportation and time-travel that alone

687
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:15,730
is kind of earth-shattering and if

688
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,210
indeed commander Miller is actually

689
00:31:23,159 --> 00:31:20,799
confirming that that meeting took place

690
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:23,169
I would be interested in learning about

691
00:31:28,379 --> 00:31:26,200
that Thanks so we've got some leads to

692
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:28,389
follow up on and I think the interesting

693
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:32,559
one is I think it's doable is to confirm

694
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:34,330
whether or not the animal was in Vegas

695
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:37,809
but anyway the whole memo basically

696
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:41,260
leads up to Admiral Wilson recounting to

697
00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:43,870
Davis basically his efforts to get

698
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:47,649
through to an aerospace company that one

699
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:50,169
of our defense contractors and that they

700
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:52,690
they apparently got the whole kit and

701
00:31:58,500 --> 00:31:55,289
caboodle and he's having a tough time

702
00:32:01,049 --> 00:31:58,510
figuring out the money trail and he

703
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:01,059
finally after talking to them on the

704
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,220
phone goes out there physically goes out

705
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:05,440
west somewhere and sits down and meets

706
00:32:12,029 --> 00:32:08,260
with this group yes and this is a

707
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:12,039
fascinating idea where basically I guess

708
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,710
about ten days to two weeks after the

709
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,100
meeting that he had with Edgar Mitchell

710
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:20,350
Miller and Steven Greer he starts making

711
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:22,330
Admiral Wilson starts making phone calls

712
00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:24,580
he gets a little curious at least that's

713
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,639
what this document says and indeed he

714
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:29,679
goes to some of his friends some of his

715
00:32:34,259 --> 00:32:31,630
colleagues in the Pentagon and they kind

716
00:32:36,899 --> 00:32:34,269
of give him clues where to go to find

717
00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:36,909
this civilian organization that might be

718
00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:40,539
dealing with UFOs and crash retrieval

719
00:32:44,909 --> 00:32:43,059
programs and of course the funny thing

720
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,919
is is that all of a sudden Headroom

721
00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:46,720
Wilson says he made three phone calls

722
00:32:53,399 --> 00:32:51,220
and tracked down this one subcontractor

723
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:53,409
civilian subcontractor and called them

724
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:55,929
up talked to the program director and

725
00:33:01,080 --> 00:32:59,200
said hey what's going on I haven't been

726
00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:01,090
briefed by you guys on what you're doing

727
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:04,120
and I want to know what you are doing

728
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:06,760
with UFO crash retrievals now right

729
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,840
there I can see the faith the look

730
00:33:13,899 --> 00:33:11,120
the face of this progress a program

731
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:13,909
manager going oh my god what happened

732
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:18,529
how did he get to us and he does get to

733
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:20,870
them and it's very interesting the way

734
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:24,140
he recounts the exchange because there

735
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:28,340
are some similarities between this

736
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:31,370
particular meeting as described and also

737
00:33:36,610 --> 00:33:33,830
a meeting that is in this serpo material

738
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:36,620
which I regard to speak to be blunt

739
00:33:42,940 --> 00:33:40,220
about it so let's talk about the meeting

740
00:33:45,310 --> 00:33:42,950
the trope is the same the scene set up

741
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:45,320
is basically the same the identified

742
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:47,870
leader walks into the room and he is

743
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:50,570
going to be told about something that is

744
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:54,830
way beyond his you know is a wildest

745
00:33:59,049 --> 00:33:55,730
imagination

746
00:34:00,340 --> 00:33:59,059
so basically what that Wilson that gets

747
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:00,350
to the to the vault

748
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:02,750
basically he's taken down into a secure

749
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:06,130
vault basically where he has his meeting

750
00:34:10,030 --> 00:34:08,330
Reagan that has his meeting at Camp

751
00:34:11,649 --> 00:34:10,040
David but I just think it's really

752
00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:11,659
interesting that he meets with this

753
00:34:16,899 --> 00:34:14,359
group Wilson does and that's called the

754
00:34:19,089 --> 00:34:16,909
Watch Committee or the gatekeepers and

755
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,099
you're going back to Sir power Reagan is

756
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:21,440
briefed on you know the keys to the

757
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:23,210
kingdom they everything you would

758
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:25,460
possibly want to know about et and UFOs

759
00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:28,010
by somebody called the caretaker it just

760
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,070
it feels like fiction to me not Michael

761
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:32,839
I gotta be honest about it and it feels

762
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:36,080
like fiction I've read before alright

763
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:37,700
well I tell you what it's kind of

764
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:39,770
interesting because once he actually

765
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:42,290
gets a meeting by the way that first

766
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:43,849
phone call he makes to the program

767
00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:46,520
manager the program manager stammers and

768
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:49,550
stutters it says uh Admiral we have to

769
00:34:53,169 --> 00:34:51,290
talk about this we will call you and

770
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:53,179
make up face to face meetings so that

771
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,950
there is an agreement that these are

772
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:56,720
gonna get a call back and indeed he does

773
00:35:01,180 --> 00:34:58,910
he goes he says he flies out there so

774
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:01,190
I'm assuming if he's in the Pentagon on

775
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:04,070
the East Coast it's like you said s and

776
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:05,960
most yeah most of the big guy aerospace

777
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:07,910
defense contractors are out west anyway

778
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,450
so yeah and obviously then he gets there

779
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:13,760
and goes to the vault and meets these

780
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:16,730
folks and he is confronted with three

781
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:20,180
people initially the program director

782
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:24,140
whoo and the security director for the

783
00:35:28,569 --> 00:35:27,050
company and the company attorney now

784
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:28,579
these are the gatekeepers they call

785
00:35:34,809 --> 00:35:32,349
themselves by the way and they are

786
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:34,819
basically there to keep a lid on things

787
00:35:41,710 --> 00:35:36,650
because they tell the Admiral that there

788
00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:41,720
was a major breach in confidence of of

789
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:44,119
them during a government audit by the

790
00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:46,970
Pentagon actually in the past that made

791
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:49,430
a big brouhaha and they had to put a lid

792
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:51,670
on that so it would never happen again

793
00:35:57,099 --> 00:35:53,960
the interesting thing about it is that

794
00:36:01,390 --> 00:35:57,109
the head of security for this civilian

795
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:01,400
company is a retired NSA officer and

796
00:36:06,309 --> 00:36:04,609
counterintelligence expert and then

797
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:06,319
you've got the project manager and got

798
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,470
the attorney and they're telling him

799
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:10,880
actually the first part of the meeting

800
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,599
is they are trying to quiz Admiral

801
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:17,599
Wilson on how the heck they found him or

802
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,270
he found them he's going who did you

803
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,880
talk to they wanted particulars and of

804
00:36:25,539 --> 00:36:23,599
course

805
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:25,549
Admiral Wilson's being a little cagey

806
00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:27,410
didn't really tell them exactly who he

807
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,000
got the information from but there's a

808
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:32,720
fascinating statement in this document

809
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:34,910
where he had Murr Wilson confirms that

810
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:37,790
he had talked to four other different

811
00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:41,240
program directors who referred all of

812
00:36:45,309 --> 00:36:43,339
them referred them back to this private

813
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:45,319
contractor that contractor just

814
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:47,420
basically freaked at that point going oh

815
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:51,770
my god if four other contractors or

816
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:54,170
civilian organizations know about us we

817
00:37:00,059 --> 00:36:55,190
are in big trouble

818
00:37:06,579 --> 00:37:03,849
okay chant you have anything no I think

819
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:06,589
I said everything I needed to say it was

820
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:09,380
nice being able to actually have had a

821
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:13,730
conversation in such detail with

822
00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:17,270
commander will Miller today and I was

823
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:18,980
very grateful that he actually took the

824
00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:21,170
time to have spoken to me not only by

825
00:37:28,990 --> 00:37:26,470
phone but by Skype and by email and so I

826
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:29,000
went over everything as carefully as I

827
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:31,490
could with him but look you know it's

828
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:33,140
not like we had

829
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:37,970
a lot of time to talk and you know I

830
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:40,850
asked everything I could that I felt he

831
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:42,940
was going to give me permission to ask

832
00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:45,920
people need to understand and that

833
00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:48,590
there's a point where even if you have

834
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:50,300
the discretionary time to talk to

835
00:37:58,510 --> 00:37:53,570
somebody that does not mean they are

836
00:38:01,900 --> 00:37:58,520
going to answer every question and so

837
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,910
what I'm how we made contact with the

838
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:03,920
commander basically I've been trying to

839
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:05,990
track him down and leave messages and I

840
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:07,640
was pretty shocked he called me back out

841
00:38:11,110 --> 00:38:09,350
right before I was leaving for work so I

842
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:11,120
didn't have a whole lot of time but the

843
00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:12,650
two main questions I really wanted to

844
00:38:17,110 --> 00:38:14,900
ask him was did he remember writing the

845
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:17,120
the Davis memo and the way he responded

846
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:18,710
me at that point in time when he would

847
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:20,600
knew nothing about the documents was he

848
00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:22,550
didn't remember which you know seems

849
00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:23,600
like a reasonable answer who's

850
00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:24,920
necessarily going to remember off the

851
00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:27,500
top of their head writing a letter 17

852
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:29,870
years ago so I didn't have any problem

853
00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:31,370
with that and then basically what I

854
00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:33,080
wanted to do was to have to confirm if

855
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:35,180
he was particularly interested in that

856
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:37,130
each of those cases that per this

857
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:38,830
document he says that he is and

858
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:41,270
obviously when he drew a blank at

859
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:42,950
socorro that to me raised the red flag

860
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:46,040
and then no obviously I left it at that

861
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:48,410
because I had to go and I said would it

862
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:49,850
be okay if we followed up and he said

863
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:50,690
yes that'll be fine

864
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:52,580
and then chant followed up today and

865
00:38:59,170 --> 00:38:54,530
that's basically how that exchange went

866
00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:59,180
and I think maybe you guys I have to go

867
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:00,650
back to the drawing board a little bit

868
00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:03,260
and maybe firm a few things up that the

869
00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:06,590
document itself is being called in the

870
00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:08,120
question by the only person who has

871
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,070
would have some direct knowledge with

872
00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:12,800
Eric Davis not talking and nobody is

873
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:15,800
apparently contacted the Admiral it's a

874
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:18,110
you know we've got that somebody who's

875
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:19,970
directly involved and he's expressing a

876
00:39:22,810 --> 00:39:21,890
lot of skepticism about this and I've

877
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:22,820
got to say that there are pretty

878
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:25,310
reasonable skepticisms and one of the

879
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:26,870
things that I asked him about that I was

880
00:39:29,830 --> 00:39:28,730
skeptical about in reading that really

881
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,840
wouldn't have meant anything to him

882
00:39:36,190 --> 00:39:32,720
necessarily you know he gave the answer

883
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:36,200
that makes me even more skeptical so you

884
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:38,060
know I think we've raised some serious

885
00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:40,310
questions here that has got to get

886
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:42,140
answered on that and whoever wants to

887
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:43,790
pick up the ball it seems that there

888
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:45,650
there are enough people out there that

889
00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:46,910
like this memo they

890
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:48,140
think there's something to it well

891
00:39:51,549 --> 00:39:49,910
they've got a they gotta answer some

892
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:51,559
questions they should be able to answer

893
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:53,210
the one I'd like to know is can they

894
00:39:58,059 --> 00:39:56,089
confirm that way he was in Vegas on that

895
00:40:00,130 --> 00:39:58,069
appointment date that would be one that

896
00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:00,140
I think should be it shouldn't be that

897
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:02,180
difficult to do and I think you guys

898
00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:05,510
need to do it fairly quickly well Frank

899
00:40:10,690 --> 00:40:07,640
let me ask you this did you use the for

900
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:10,700
Hitler's in that will Mueller letter to

901
00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:12,530
refresh his memory about those four

902
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,500
points we did not like I said Chad did

903
00:40:18,549 --> 00:40:16,880
the follow-up you'll say I was surprised

904
00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:18,559
when he got back to me I had ten minutes

905
00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:20,180
with him I got the two questions

906
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:22,549
answered that he wanted but remember he

907
00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:24,140
hadn't seen the documents at that point

908
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:26,059
chant was able to go through a little

909
00:40:31,329 --> 00:40:29,569
bit of detail and basically I think it's

910
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,339
pretty cut and dry here basically yeah

911
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:33,200
what commander Miller is saying that

912
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:36,170
this document appears to be something

913
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:38,210
was constructed that was cut and pasted

914
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,670
that that some of that material does

915
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:42,319
look like his writing for the past so

916
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:44,750
maybe somebody involved in all in

917
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:46,220
putting this together had some

918
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:48,470
correspondence with him from who knows

919
00:40:53,950 --> 00:40:52,700
when way back in the day and that is

920
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,960
something that can be done has been done

921
00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:55,760
before in terms of putting together for

922
00:40:59,769 --> 00:40:57,020
its document so it wouldn't be the first

923
00:41:02,769 --> 00:40:59,779
time I do have a I do have a question

924
00:41:05,019 --> 00:41:02,779
for you Michael regarding the last

925
00:41:07,690 --> 00:41:05,029
paragraph that you brought up I'm just

926
00:41:09,849 --> 00:41:07,700
gonna read that last paragraph where it

927
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,859
says no sorry I don't want to interrupt

928
00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:12,079
you but I thought popped into my head

929
00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:13,460
and it's such a rare occasion that I

930
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:14,630
want to I want to get out with it

931
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:16,760
basically what commander Miller is

932
00:41:21,490 --> 00:41:19,369
saying is that his the letter his letter

933
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:21,500
is a forgery I think it's fair I think

934
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,010
it's a fair way to put it well but

935
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:26,720
obviously if he doesn't know the details

936
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:28,490
of the letter how well he's seen it he

937
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:29,900
saw it when chair followed up with him

938
00:41:35,319 --> 00:41:33,500
today and did then you follow Michael

939
00:41:37,569 --> 00:41:35,329
Michael if the letter is constructed

940
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:37,579
even that in part it's still it's still

941
00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:40,730
a fake it's still forgery oh yeah but on

942
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:42,380
the witness stand you're saying well you

943
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:43,880
know tell me what parts are true and

944
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:45,380
what parts are not true that's that's

945
00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:48,710
what I'm trying to get at well even if

946
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,900
even if all the parts are true and it's

947
00:41:55,089 --> 00:41:52,160
reconstructed it's still a

948
00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:55,099
reconstruction it's still a fake well

949
00:41:59,079 --> 00:41:57,859
it's taking bits and pieces of let's

950
00:42:00,580 --> 00:41:59,089
saying everything that he wrote he said

951
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:00,590
okay I definitely wrote that

952
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:01,850
okay you want to follow up with some of

953
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:03,170
the things that he confirms there that

954
00:42:05,230 --> 00:42:04,670
that would be pretty hot worth following

955
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:05,240
up on

956
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:07,880
but even if every bit of that letter was

957
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:11,000
actually written by the commander it's

958
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:12,590
been reconstructed through a number of

959
00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:14,330
different correspondences that he

960
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:17,260
engaged in it's still a fake

961
00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:20,210
well if indeed any of those particulars

962
00:42:23,350 --> 00:42:21,980
are correct and he wrote about them that

963
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:23,360
would be very fascinating well it would

964
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:25,550
be absolutely it would be absolutely it

965
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:27,530
would be no question about that that's

966
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:28,850
what we did get to the bottom line on

967
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:31,670
the details which ones did he say are

968
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:33,350
correct because he did say the Beckwith

969
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:36,440
thing is correct that is interesting in

970
00:42:42,610 --> 00:42:40,460
and of itself absolutely the commander's

971
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:42,620
never denied a guy being interested in

972
00:42:46,090 --> 00:42:43,940
that kind of thing he is there's no

973
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:46,100
question about that of course and then

974
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:48,200
we need to get to his particulars that

975
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:50,660
he denies just to kind of confirm you

976
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:53,420
know okay this is put together what of

977
00:43:00,370 --> 00:42:55,550
these things are things that you did not

978
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,380
write that this early date you know we

979
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:02,240
need a little bit more time with that

980
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,640
but yeah I mean basically he did confirm

981
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:09,440
he had no knowledge of et crash

982
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:11,630
retrieval or technology in our hands and

983
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:13,670
that sort of thing as sort of a broad

984
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:16,850
general denial of having a direct

985
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:19,760
knowledge or a direct involvement and

986
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,780
that sort of thing

987
00:43:24,490 --> 00:43:22,640
so I mean we can make some inferences

988
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:24,500
say yeah we can pin them down you know

989
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,510
we can make them more clear and we want

990
00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:27,920
to be clear here we want to be fair to

991
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:31,400
everybody but at the same time Jed did

992
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:35,900
get that today and some other things

993
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:37,700
could be cleared up though no doubt but

994
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:41,600
I think I think we made some very

995
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:44,030
interesting points that really raised

996
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:45,350
some serious questions about the

997
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:48,500
document okay so what I did was I went

998
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:51,710
ahead and I made sure first of all that

999
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:53,510
the document we were talking about was

1000
00:44:00,400 --> 00:43:55,730
one in the same document that Frank had

1001
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,410
gone over with Will Miller and because

1002
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:02,480
the reason why I did that is because you

1003
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:05,860
know various different copies of this

1004
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:09,530
smoking gun memo there I'm not saying

1005
00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:11,750
there are but there could be different

1006
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,119
types of copies or variations

1007
00:44:18,489 --> 00:44:16,400
there and to make sure we were talking

1008
00:44:21,609 --> 00:44:18,499
about the same smoking gun memo we went

1009
00:44:25,089 --> 00:44:21,619
over it and he confirmed that was the

1010
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:25,099
correct and same one because it's the

1011
00:44:33,789 --> 00:44:27,710
same one that Frank gave me so it was

1012
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:33,799
the same exact document and then we we

1013
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:36,680
also went over a different document I'm

1014
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:38,089
just going to go ahead and mention it

1015
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:42,079
Frank okay we went over and and Michael

1016
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:43,430
will you please remind me to go over

1017
00:44:46,089 --> 00:44:45,049
that last paragraph and the letter if

1018
00:44:49,029 --> 00:44:46,099
you don't mind the one that you

1019
00:44:55,299 --> 00:44:49,039
mentioned before oh sure yeah okay thank

1020
00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:55,309
you so I went over also on skype by this

1021
00:44:58,859 --> 00:44:56,990
point time we were talking on skype

1022
00:45:02,589 --> 00:44:58,869
commander Wolffe Miller and I were

1023
00:45:05,289 --> 00:45:02,599
regarding the alien autopsy of the

1024
00:45:10,329 --> 00:45:05,299
emails can make email communications

1025
00:45:13,779 --> 00:45:10,339
between Bob allegedly between Bob

1026
00:45:16,269 --> 00:45:13,789
Bigelow Eric Davis comb Kelleher and I

1027
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:16,279
don't know maybe a few others but anyway

1028
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:18,950
this yes thank you allegedly by kick

1029
00:45:25,089 --> 00:45:22,220
green as well so we went over that I had

1030
00:45:27,339 --> 00:45:25,099
him actually go over the documents

1031
00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:27,349
scroll through it look at it

1032
00:45:34,779 --> 00:45:31,190
scrutinize it and he said that this was

1033
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,789
just absolutely foreign to him like this

1034
00:45:40,749 --> 00:45:37,359
just none of this made any sense to him

1035
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:40,759
he did not recognize not that he should

1036
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:43,220
but he did not recognize this document

1037
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:46,730
at all that it was it had nothing to do

1038
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:48,920
with him he was sort of bewildered by it

1039
00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:53,599
and okay and then moving along to the

1040
00:45:59,259 --> 00:45:56,029
and by the way I did ask him just for

1041
00:46:02,109 --> 00:45:59,269
the heck of it did does he know Bob

1042
00:46:04,299 --> 00:46:02,119
Bigelow and he says no he does not he

1043
00:46:06,339 --> 00:46:04,309
does not know him personally he knows

1044
00:46:07,989 --> 00:46:06,349
who he is and he knows you know what he

1045
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:07,999
may may be known for

1046
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:12,049
but Roberta but anyway he does he does

1047
00:46:16,029 --> 00:46:14,150
not know him personally and again he

1048
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:16,039
does not know Colm kill her either and

1049
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:18,410
he does not know kit Green now moving

1050
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:21,470
along to the other document regarding

1051
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,670
The Smoking Gun memo the last paragraph

1052
00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:27,440
which I'm gonna read for our listeners

1053
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:29,390
because Michaels brought it up a few

1054
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:32,630
times and it says finally I have a

1055
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:36,200
request I am trying to locate a company

1056
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:38,030
in Las Vegas Nevada which some years ago

1057
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:40,430
manufactured a specialized disabling

1058
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:42,110
pepper spray for the military and law

1059
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:44,540
enforcement the company was called one

1060
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:47,750
mark ink and it says the address of it

1061
00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:51,710
and I knew its BP a mr. Joe zucchero any

1062
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,720
help in locating him under the company

1063
00:46:59,290 --> 00:46:56,000
would be appreciated best regards will

1064
00:47:01,000 --> 00:46:59,300
though Miller and so regarding that

1065
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:01,010
paragraph what I was going to ask you

1066
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:02,660
and by the way listeners just so you

1067
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:05,390
know what I'm reading and that is the

1068
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:09,560
letter that a commander will Miller was

1069
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:11,660
alleged to have written to Eric Davis

1070
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:14,150
which he denies that he wrote it he says

1071
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:17,330
it's not a letter he wrote anyway was

1072
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:20,660
going to ask you Michael is why is that

1073
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:22,280
paragraph I know there's other

1074
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:24,050
paragraphs and three other points you

1075
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:25,850
have that are important to you but why

1076
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:29,180
is that one so important to you what

1077
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:31,250
would be very interesting to find out

1078
00:47:37,690 --> 00:47:33,170
where the commander Miller had a very

1079
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:37,700
interesting either fascination or wanted

1080
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:40,010
to find information about this great

1081
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:43,100
company we would want to ask him does he

1082
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:45,590
know this misters of Carl has he ever

1083
00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:47,500
heard of mr. zucchero

1084
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:50,150
specifically there's an actual address

1085
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:52,460
of this company that used to be located

1086
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:54,890
in Vegas so those that last paragraph

1087
00:48:01,390 --> 00:47:58,490
seems to not be a part of the normal

1088
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:01,400
document so the question that I have is

1089
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:04,730
okay is the Beckwith thing correct and

1090
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,070
then down at the bottom is that

1091
00:48:10,690 --> 00:48:09,680
paragraph correct about the pepper spray

1092
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:10,700
company

1093
00:48:15,970 --> 00:48:13,220
and if those two things are correct by

1094
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:15,980
the way then maybe the argument that the

1095
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:18,650
other stuff in between has been put

1096
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:21,470
together and cut and pasted so that's

1097
00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:22,970
why I thought it would be very

1098
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:24,680
interesting to asking those questions

1099
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:28,760
well he did say that he felt that the

1100
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:31,160
letter in its entirety was stitched

1101
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:33,010
together

1102
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:37,660
really mean that he didn't write it oh

1103
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:41,000
okay but he said that

1104
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:44,090
he did not write parts of it he knows

1105
00:48:49,089 --> 00:48:47,690
that for right for in fact you need to

1106
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,099
find out which parts he didn't write

1107
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:52,480
that's what I'm trying to get at and so

1108
00:48:58,300 --> 00:48:55,070
again he didn't say this but this is a

1109
00:49:01,300 --> 00:48:58,310
hypothetical and I don't I'm starting to

1110
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:01,310
have you repeat yourself but let's just

1111
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:04,430
pretend that he said oh yeah no I I

1112
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:07,810
wrote that that's from another letter oh

1113
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:11,210
so you're saying that if he were to

1114
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:14,690
confirm that as having been authentic

1115
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:17,090
that one paragraph from another letter

1116
00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:20,530
is that that would do what

1117
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:23,240
well that would show that basically some

1118
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:25,450
of these things are correct paragraphs

1119
00:49:30,130 --> 00:49:28,310
and and if he's going home for you with

1120
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:30,140
the Beckwith paragraph then he's going

1121
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:31,730
to be agree with the pepper-sprayed

1122
00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:34,730
paragraph then we've got a pattern and

1123
00:49:39,099 --> 00:49:36,859
that's what you look for well what we've

1124
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,109
got is that two paragraphs cut out from

1125
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:41,359
some other correspondence that he sent

1126
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:44,300
off and some some fiction squeezed in

1127
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:46,310
the middle and again you already gave

1128
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:47,930
the blanket the dial that he never had

1129
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:51,920
any kind of direct contact with et or et

1130
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:54,410
recovered materials or a knowledge of it

1131
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:56,690
or anything along those lines so he did

1132
00:50:01,540 --> 00:49:58,609
make that general denial so it's not

1133
00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:01,550
unreasonable to say that you know the

1134
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:03,320
the paragraphs that relate to that are

1135
00:50:06,579 --> 00:50:05,030
the ones that are not correct I mean we

1136
00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:06,589
can pin that down but I think that's

1137
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:08,990
where we're at with this yeah definitely

1138
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:10,790
and I would love to be able to ask him

1139
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:12,380
if he has any knowledge as this major

1140
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:14,630
UFO event on the East Coast that he's

1141
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:16,310
talking or at least one's talking about

1142
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:19,910
oh okay I'm starting to interrupt you

1143
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:22,280
and I think yes the USS Nimitz

1144
00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:23,690
encounters that what you're talking

1145
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:24,470
about

1146
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:27,710
no West Coast the West Coast okay Frank

1147
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:29,630
just to be clear I want to make it clear

1148
00:50:35,710 --> 00:50:33,830
regarding I'm sorry that Frank mentioned

1149
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:35,720
that the second paragraph if it were

1150
00:50:42,339 --> 00:50:39,220
authentic I want to be clear that

1151
00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:42,349
commander will Miller did not say that

1152
00:50:46,930 --> 00:50:44,900
that last paragraph was authentic it's

1153
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:46,940
very important people understand that it

1154
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:49,609
was in the letterhead which I which I

1155
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:52,010
think is key question the authentic the

1156
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:54,170
authenticity of the letter and that he

1157
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:54,660
never used

1158
00:51:01,040 --> 00:50:57,140
let her so there's that as well which

1159
00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:01,050
yeah again you know his position and

1160
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:02,460
he's purported to have written this

1161
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:04,410
letter his position is I didn't write

1162
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:07,290
this letter in this form you know I

1163
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:09,690
think I think you made that clear enough

1164
00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:12,630
you know you can go for some details

1165
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:15,840
from him but at the same token you know

1166
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,970
all you're presenting is this memo you

1167
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,440
need a little bit more to back it up you

1168
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:21,180
need a little bit more to pin down this

1169
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:23,730
story one thing I think you got to do is

1170
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:26,610
you got a place Wilson in Vegas at the

1171
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:28,200
particular date I think you got to do

1172
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:29,730
that or else you're gonna have some

1173
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:35,070
problems going forward okay and just so

1174
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:37,140
everybody knows so we have a rich

1175
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:39,570
Hoffman in the chatroom asking how would

1176
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,250
somebody get his letterhead in signature

1177
00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:44,400
and I actually did email after I spoke

1178
00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:48,600
to commander will Miller by phone and by

1179
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,230
Skype today I did email him on that and

1180
00:51:58,610 --> 00:51:54,000
I asked him that question because I had

1181
00:52:00,830 --> 00:51:58,620
not asked him that prior in that Skype

1182
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:00,840
or phone call and he said anyone can

1183
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:04,170
find a naval officers insignia and what

1184
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,490
he meant by that is that is the

1185
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:07,980
letterhead the insignia that's used on

1186
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:10,410
that letter that's what he said

1187
00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:13,760
regarding that and yeah I think he

1188
00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:16,560
acknowledged that parts of this

1189
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,830
correspondence it's something that he

1190
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:21,480
wrote you know he's taking credit for

1191
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:23,010
the Beckwith and that we didn't

1192
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:24,750
specifically ask about the signature but

1193
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:26,820
you know I would I would say that that

1194
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:28,140
would be part of it too again that's

1195
00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:31,230
something that we could pin down yes but

1196
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:34,080
again raise serious questions about the

1197
00:52:39,350 --> 00:52:36,210
veracity of the letter and that's you

1198
00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:39,360
know it's a problem I do have a question

1199
00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:42,150
for Michael and that is if you had the

1200
00:52:48,590 --> 00:52:46,340
opportunity to ask commander will Miller

1201
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:48,600
questions right now

1202
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:51,000
what would you ask him I know you've

1203
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,880
already stated them but you know please

1204
00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:55,680
do just steep them again if you don't

1205
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:56,070
mind

1206
00:53:01,550 --> 00:52:58,980
yeah well definitely I would definitely

1207
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:01,560
first of all ask him certain things in

1208
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:05,010
that two-page letter by the way whether

1209
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:06,860
he can confirm any

1210
00:53:10,930 --> 00:53:08,750
for instance did you live at that

1211
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:10,940
address that he's both living at at the

1212
00:53:18,130 --> 00:53:16,250
top of this this let's not let's not

1213
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:18,140
then get it get into that kind of detail

1214
00:53:23,860 --> 00:53:21,260
I can assure you that we're not gonna go

1215
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,870
there I'm Eric what you have other fair

1216
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:25,280
questions I'm sure than that

1217
00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:26,780
we're not that we're not gonna be having

1218
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:29,180
people hiding down addresses and all

1219
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:30,980
that stuff let's put it this way we were

1220
00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:32,690
able to contact mr. Miller whether he

1221
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:36,980
was not difficult to find so let's move

1222
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:40,270
forward okay yeah exactly

1223
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:43,310
basically ask him to confirm or deny you

1224
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:44,810
know the different parts of the letter

1225
00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:46,580
because sounds like there's a

1226
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:48,500
discrepancy on certain things that he

1227
00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:50,870
did right so that's and we know Eric

1228
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:52,550
Davis does not live at that address in

1229
00:53:59,620 --> 00:53:54,500
Las Vegas because he's working down in

1230
00:54:01,840 --> 00:53:59,630
Austin Texas somewhere and for the

1231
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,850
record also that at that point in time

1232
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:03,680
if that was his correct address then

1233
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,550
yeah he was working out of his house so

1234
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:10,000
we did we were in doubt a few things

1235
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:16,010
aura was just mailed to his house okay

1236
00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:20,240
so uh Alejandro Rojas is in chat and he

1237
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,820
was mentioning that we can suspect some

1238
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:24,800
of this is real but we have denials from

1239
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:27,140
I think he's trying to say Wilson and

1240
00:54:31,150 --> 00:54:29,330
now Miller so we cannot take this to the

1241
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:31,160
bank how what is your response to that

1242
00:54:38,020 --> 00:54:35,510
Michael well I tell you what I'm just

1243
00:54:40,990 --> 00:54:38,030
waiting for those denials it's been

1244
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:41,000
since Thursday night that this document

1245
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:44,030
was with leat well even before that

1246
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:45,710
let's put it that way suppose I on read

1247
00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:49,130
it you know long time so just and of

1248
00:54:53,350 --> 00:54:51,320
course this dock in has been rumored by

1249
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:53,360
many people Richard Dolan for sure for

1250
00:54:59,770 --> 00:54:56,810
many many years grant Cameron and others

1251
00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,780
so the idea that you know certain things

1252
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:02,960
are now being denied I'm wondering what

1253
00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:09,110
took them so long for one thing nobody

1254
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:15,620
had contacted ya to do that I don't know

1255
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,830
I agree so is the vetting where

1256
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:21,440
the research come on you don't think

1257
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:23,360
someone on Thursday night called

1258
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:27,530
commander Miller Monday told me nobody

1259
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:36,850
so yeah that's what III had a question

1260
00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:39,950
about - and in that I know I'm you know

1261
00:55:43,870 --> 00:55:41,780
being a little redundant in saying this

1262
00:55:45,610 --> 00:55:43,880
but here let me go ahead and preface

1263
00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:45,620
what I'm going to say with this I

1264
00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:48,440
contacted a well-known researcher on

1265
00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:52,520
Australian researcher who is known for

1266
00:55:58,750 --> 00:55:56,600
his impeccable research and he told me

1267
00:56:02,340 --> 00:55:58,760
that he saw this document ten years ago

1268
00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:02,350
and that he felt it was not a authentic

1269
00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:06,860
document but he didn't bother calling

1270
00:56:11,650 --> 00:56:09,950
this guy up either I'm guessing I'm just

1271
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:11,660
guessing because he wasn't interested in

1272
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:15,380
doing so but since the sense he saw it

1273
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:17,480
ten years ago the very document we've

1274
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:19,250
been talking about the smoking gun

1275
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:21,770
document my question is since it's been

1276
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:23,530
around for at least a decade

1277
00:56:30,610 --> 00:56:28,250
why has and this isn't I'm not I'm not

1278
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:30,620
throwing shade at Richard Dolan when I

1279
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:33,370
say this this is just an honest question

1280
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:37,670
why has nobody bothered to contact

1281
00:56:42,910 --> 00:56:41,870
commander Willard Miller to ask him

1282
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:42,920
these questions

1283
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:46,550
it took us just I don't know 24 hours to

1284
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:48,730
contact I thought of doing it Sunday

1285
00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:52,490
yeah and it took us and he got back to

1286
00:57:00,400 --> 00:56:55,460
us it's like almost I spoke to him

1287
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,410
Monday did he did state that he will not

1288
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:02,720
he does not want to be interviewed

1289
00:57:07,930 --> 00:57:05,900
regarding this like a show on a show he

1290
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:07,940
doesn't want to go on a show and he does

1291
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:09,650
not want to talk to anybody else about

1292
00:57:14,050 --> 00:57:12,350
this and that's what he wasn't very he

1293
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:14,060
was very emphatic about that you

1294
00:57:21,010 --> 00:57:15,740
suggested there was not change his phone

1295
00:57:23,950 --> 00:57:21,020
number no actually he did confirm that

1296
00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:23,960
to me in our conversation and by the way

1297
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:27,800
just so everybody knows a commander will

1298
00:57:33,269 --> 00:57:31,310
Miller spoke to me after Frank and he

1299
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,279
did say that

1300
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:36,319
okay so let's this recap here you're

1301
00:57:41,979 --> 00:57:38,209
saying that you recently talked with an

1302
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:41,989
Australian UFO researcher who yes he saw

1303
00:57:48,729 --> 00:57:45,049
this same doc yes in years yes yes

1304
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:48,739
that's what he and I sent him a link to

1305
00:57:56,979 --> 00:57:51,890
the document directly he did look at it

1306
00:57:58,599 --> 00:57:56,989
and uh you know he said that here let me

1307
00:58:00,130 --> 00:57:58,609
see if I can bring that up just one

1308
00:58:01,390 --> 00:58:00,140
moment there might be some silence for

1309
00:58:02,469 --> 00:58:01,400
me Frank just so you know well I think

1310
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:02,479
okay we got it

1311
00:58:09,279 --> 00:58:05,599
just one moment okay so uh who is this

1312
00:58:11,949 --> 00:58:09,289
Australian researcher let me go ahead

1313
00:58:13,959 --> 00:58:11,959
and read a little bit I'm not sure if

1314
00:58:16,089 --> 00:58:13,969
I'm allowed to actually give that source

1315
00:58:17,919 --> 00:58:16,099
of away so I have to be cautious about

1316
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:17,929
that but I'll read a little bit of an

1317
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:19,729
excerpt of regarding what he did say

1318
00:58:28,179 --> 00:58:21,529
again there's gonna be silence for me

1319
00:58:30,339 --> 00:58:28,189
Frank while I look this up just for ya

1320
00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:30,349
now what's up with the Richard Dolan you

1321
00:58:34,539 --> 00:58:33,380
know I think the balls back in your

1322
00:58:35,859 --> 00:58:34,549
court you've got to come up with

1323
00:58:38,589 --> 00:58:35,869
something a little more than the

1324
00:58:41,469 --> 00:58:38,599
document itself except the obvious

1325
00:58:43,569 --> 00:58:41,479
things that the location you're gonna

1326
00:58:46,779 --> 00:58:43,579
need more and as far as Eric Davis

1327
00:58:49,209 --> 00:58:46,789
saying no comment Eric Davis doesn't

1328
00:58:51,219 --> 00:58:49,219
really hold the UFO research community

1329
00:58:54,249 --> 00:58:51,229
in very high regard I think you saw on

1330
00:58:56,259 --> 00:58:54,259
record as having said that so for him to

1331
00:58:58,059 --> 00:58:56,269
just say no comment and sit back and

1332
00:59:01,120 --> 00:58:58,069
yeah I'm not suggesting Eric Davis is

1333
00:59:03,309 --> 00:59:01,130
involved with all this coming out but

1334
00:59:04,809 --> 00:59:03,319
what I am suggesting is by saying no

1335
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:04,819
comment he gives us the opportunity to

1336
00:59:08,469 --> 00:59:06,650
let a lot of UFO researchers hit

1337
00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:08,479
themselves all wound up over something

1338
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:10,849
that I'm not liking the looks up quite

1339
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,230
frankly

1340
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:14,579
yeah fascinate so you've spoken with

1341
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:16,770
this Australian researcher yourself

1342
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:19,260
Frank who me oh yeah I have many times

1343
00:59:27,769 --> 00:59:25,710
but I didn't have okay Oh interesting

1344
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:27,779
and he confirms that this is the same

1345
00:59:34,339 --> 00:59:31,950
document he saw ten years ago yeah and

1346
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:34,349
what I'm doing is I'm actually so I sent

1347
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:36,660
him a link to the smoking-gun transcript

1348
00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:40,410
and then what I did was I asked him to

1349
00:59:44,059 --> 00:59:42,839
review it and then he responded I'll

1350
00:59:46,339 --> 00:59:44,069
I'll let you know a little bit about

1351
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,349
what he said but I also clicked on the

1352
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:48,480
link right now just to make sure that

1353
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:50,490
it's the one that we're covering right

1354
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,579
now and it is that link so I actually

1355
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:55,440
just clicked on it just to double check

1356
01:00:02,029 --> 00:59:58,140
to make sure that is what he was looking

1357
01:00:03,980 --> 01:00:02,039
at and he said I've had it for ten years

1358
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:03,990
that's what he said

1359
01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:07,980
and then he said oh I'll tell you a

1360
01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:09,630
little bit about what he said here he

1361
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:12,599
said Providence ownership exacting

1362
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:16,140
content etc of this Davis Wilson item

1363
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:18,299
will not be agreed upon and not proven

1364
01:00:22,819 --> 01:00:20,970
at all in twelve months or five years or

1365
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:22,829
whatever it will all be a distant

1366
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:25,230
annoying memory and nothing will come of

1367
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:27,180
it there will be no flooding us with

1368
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:28,710
alien spare parts

1369
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:30,990
there will be no sudden opening of si P

1370
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:32,730
records on reverse engineering of

1371
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:34,980
anything there will be no comment in the

1372
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:38,190
probe Admiral Admiral Wilson and there

1373
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:39,930
will be no confirmation of anything

1374
01:00:44,269 --> 01:00:42,569
whatsoever from the current OSD / US

1375
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,279
offices and right now they'll be

1376
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:45,839
shrugging shoulders with the amused

1377
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:49,740
looks that's what he said interesting so

1378
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,319
he's basically saying that he knows that

1379
01:00:59,289 --> 01:00:54,799
the provenance is not going to be proven

1380
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,299
that's that is his perspective yeah

1381
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:02,160
wonder how are we ever gonna get word in

1382
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:06,569
terms of who gave the documents I don't

1383
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:09,510
know I know that and more recently I

1384
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,890
mean that grant was pretty gung-ho about

1385
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:13,680
this at first but that really is back

1386
01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:15,270
that he's not talking about this at all

1387
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:18,119
a you are and Richard Dolan is grant is

1388
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,490
a as far as I understand his public

1389
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,319
position the way he left it this could

1390
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:24,240
be the fight of the century but it could

1391
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,930
be BS

1392
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:27,180
well you might have even gotten a really

1393
01:01:33,319 --> 01:01:30,150
overboard for a polite Canadian and said

1394
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:33,329
[\h__\h] I can't remember so I I'm not

1395
01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:34,920
sure of an exact quote of that but

1396
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:36,150
that's essentially where he's at

1397
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:40,460
publicly on this you're not really

1398
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:42,839
mentioning where grant is right now on

1399
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,550
this what what's his opinion on these

1400
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:47,280
docks at the moment do you know well

1401
01:01:52,819 --> 01:01:50,280
he's always said that he's 99% positive

1402
01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:52,829
that these documents are true and

1403
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:56,190
correct and legitimate and then again

1404
01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:58,980
Richard Dolan comes on his podcast just

1405
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:01,140
on Saturday and says that this document

1406
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:04,109
looks to be real and the details

1407
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:06,809
included in this document the people

1408
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:08,460
that are involved let's put it this way

1409
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:10,470
you guys if you were going to write a

1410
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:13,859
disinformation smoking-gun memo would

1411
01:02:19,309 --> 01:02:16,890
you include a whole slew of people who

1412
01:02:22,579 --> 01:02:19,319
are still alive and could testify

1413
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:22,589
against you or against the document or

1414
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,569
for the document well Michael no but

1415
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,460
nobody's coming nobody's coming forward

1416
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:29,160
and testified for the document in times

1417
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:31,079
as well would you include all of that I

1418
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,480
think if I was going to draft this I

1419
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:36,000
will you've got to pin it down Michael I

1420
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:38,130
got to pin it down I would bring this

1421
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:39,900
down to a manageable form is what I

1422
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,809
would do I'd have maybe two three people

1423
01:02:47,299 --> 01:02:44,700
named in the document that I could

1424
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,309
control and make sure that they're not

1425
01:02:51,740 --> 01:02:49,920
going to get at and blow the lid off of

1426
01:02:53,780 --> 01:02:51,750
things so that that's an interesting

1427
01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:53,790
thing that Richard Dolan is mentioning

1428
01:02:58,220 --> 01:02:56,579
about this document it's so detailed

1429
01:02:59,809 --> 01:02:58,230
well there's no question about it

1430
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,819
there's a lot of detailed work but

1431
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,440
there's been a lot of detailed work

1432
01:03:05,299 --> 01:03:03,839
that's gone into other documents that

1433
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:05,309
have not proven out that have come down

1434
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:09,240
the pipe before I mean I look at it this

1435
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:09,630
way

1436
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:11,940
I basically yes somebody was around in

1437
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:15,450
2008 and they knew about the initial

1438
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:17,880
meeting regarding Wilson Greer and

1439
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,770
Mitchell okay I mean it was famous it

1440
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:21,480
got out it was written about in

1441
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,440
mainstream media

1442
01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:25,440
the Mitchell and Greer talked about it

1443
01:03:31,339 --> 01:03:28,740
enough so and if Billy Cox at one point

1444
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:31,349
felt strongly enough and enough word had

1445
01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:33,660
spread about it that he felt the need to

1446
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:35,940
contact Wilson so it made the mainstream

1447
01:03:40,099 --> 01:03:38,640
media and it got attention just before

1448
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:40,109
got into it so I wasn't really aware of

1449
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:41,940
the specifics I'm just finding out about

1450
01:03:50,269 --> 01:03:47,640
it just really on Thursday but it's it's

1451
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:50,279
not difficult at all basically to take

1452
01:03:55,370 --> 01:03:53,220
that bit of information okay and say

1453
01:03:57,559 --> 01:03:55,380
okay I'm gonna write this fictional

1454
01:03:59,720 --> 01:03:57,569
story and Wilson yeah and my fictional

1455
01:04:02,569 --> 01:03:59,730
story basically he did all the things

1456
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:02,579
and did the follow-up and met with the

1457
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,400
the aerospace company and so on and so

1458
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:06,960
forth and was threatened later on when

1459
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,730
he tried to find out what the money

1460
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:10,319
trail was and find out more about the

1461
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:11,970
program and that he couldn't get on the

1462
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:13,799
bigot list and so on and so forth and

1463
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:16,650
that that part of it you know how

1464
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:18,119
difficult is it to make up it's not that

1465
01:04:22,279 --> 01:04:20,760
difficult to make up there's a lot of

1466
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:22,289
name-dropping in there but the rest of

1467
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,490
it is easily made up as it is fact

1468
01:04:29,269 --> 01:04:27,839
one thing that you can pin down one

1469
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:29,279
thing that you can bend down is whether

1470
01:04:33,529 --> 01:04:31,740
or not Wilson was in Vegas on the day

1471
01:04:35,329 --> 01:04:33,539
and again that doesn't prove that this

1472
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:35,339
stuff is legit it just proves that it's

1473
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:37,230
a little bit better research then yeah I

1474
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:39,000
know that it is right now right at this

1475
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:41,160
moment because I'm looking at it I'm

1476
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:42,750
saying I'm not seeing a whole lot here

1477
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:44,190
what I'm seeing is something that

1478
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:45,960
somebody could have taken this known

1479
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:49,170
incident and easily woven this scenario

1480
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:51,720
on the back end to the tail end of it

1481
01:04:55,339 --> 01:04:53,700
and for some reason that that

1482
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:55,349
information goes from Wilson to Eric

1483
01:04:58,759 --> 01:04:57,059
Davis I mean that that's what that's

1484
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:58,769
what I'm seeing here I'm not seeing

1485
01:05:03,279 --> 01:05:00,660
enough to convince me that this is legit

1486
01:05:05,779 --> 01:05:03,289
that it's not even close at the moment

1487
01:05:08,509 --> 01:05:05,789
well what I would like to do is I would

1488
01:05:11,329 --> 01:05:08,519
put like to put Judith Daly on the stand

1489
01:05:13,579 --> 01:05:11,339
the assistant deputy undersecretary of

1490
01:05:15,259 --> 01:05:13,589
Defense for advanced development at

1491
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:15,269
house dad oh there's a lot of those

1492
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:16,529
folks I would like to talk to you for

1493
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:19,049
sure exactly these are people who are

1494
01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:21,720
named and real people so most of them

1495
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:24,150
are still alive by the way and it would

1496
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:26,970
be very interesting to see how they're

1497
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:29,210
going to respond to some of these

1498
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:32,730
details in this memo that's that's where

1499
01:05:37,370 --> 01:05:35,430
you would actually start well you know

1500
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:37,380
it's up to researchers to get on that if

1501
01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:39,690
they choose to to be honest with you I

1502
01:05:43,339 --> 01:05:41,880
think this is a fuzzy disinformation it

1503
01:05:46,220 --> 01:05:43,349
might be some useful information in

1504
01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:46,230
there I found some things just poking

1505
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:47,880
around the margins on that some old

1506
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:50,130
fuzzy stuff the old majestic 12

1507
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:51,330
documents I

1508
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,980
I found some really interesting stuff a

1509
01:05:57,980 --> 01:05:55,200
meeting in the White House about the 52

1510
01:05:59,660 --> 01:05:57,990
UFO case that was a huge fine for me it

1511
01:06:01,100 --> 01:05:59,670
really kept me going so I'm not saying

1512
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:01,110
that there's no value even if these are

1513
01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:03,210
fake I'm not saying this no value in

1514
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:06,300
them but you got a you got a call a

1515
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:08,130
story a story and that's the way I'm

1516
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:10,710
seeing it now and really I think it's up

1517
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:12,030
to the people who think that these docs

1518
01:06:15,740 --> 01:06:13,890
are legit to put a little bit more meat

1519
01:06:18,580 --> 01:06:15,750
on those bones because I'm seeing the

1520
01:06:21,740 --> 01:06:18,590
bare bones of a fuzzy disinformation and

1521
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:21,750
if you guys can come up with some more

1522
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,050
that get me interested in this and

1523
01:06:28,610 --> 01:06:26,880
saying well you know it's a strange

1524
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:28,620
world we live in maybe it's real after

1525
01:06:34,580 --> 01:06:31,290
all but I'm just not seeing it at this

1526
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:34,590
point well there is an another attorney

1527
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,510
and it's mentioned in this document on

1528
01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:38,880
page 15 there is a guy that I would like

1529
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,340
to talk to his name is Jeffrey W

1530
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:44,640
Griffith he supposedly is representing a

1531
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:45,750
Mary Elliot

1532
01:06:51,050 --> 01:06:48,570
who commander Wilson is saying believes

1533
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,060
is the real deal as far as remote

1534
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,520
viewing goes she has an attorney and

1535
01:06:59,300 --> 01:06:55,920
some of these people that are noted in

1536
01:07:03,950 --> 01:06:59,310
here of course Ingo Swann and Axelrod an

1537
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,960
RV a woman RV reviewer woman who also

1538
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,180
went to wright-patterson Air Force Base

1539
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:08,880
and kind of astounded them as well so

1540
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:12,960
these are the details that can be or can

1541
01:07:17,570 --> 01:07:15,090
be vetted or that can be thrown out if

1542
01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:17,580
we get into the details this is just one

1543
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:20,550
section of one page that needs to be

1544
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:23,700
answered why hasn't that been done up to

1545
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:28,200
this point because it basically it's

1546
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:30,030
only been out as a public domain

1547
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:33,900
document for three days so well grants

1548
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:34,920
had it for quite some time and

1549
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:37,050
apparently Dolan's had it do you know

1550
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,460
that they've done any follow up in that

1551
01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:40,740
regard I don't know

1552
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:43,350
matter of fact i well i can't vouch for

1553
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:45,180
grande cameron but i don't know a

1554
01:07:50,330 --> 01:07:47,730
Richard Dolan is actually not ask the

1555
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:50,340
hard questions as well I do know that

1556
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,770
Richard has his own sources and

1557
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:54,960
basically those sources are things are

1558
01:08:01,070 --> 01:07:59,010
people that he is in in contact with I'm

1559
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:01,080
sure trying to get some input on this

1560
01:08:07,330 --> 01:08:04,280
document as well so that's the next

1561
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:07,340
is to pick this thing apart and have

1562
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:10,730
people that are researching these things

1563
01:08:16,210 --> 01:08:13,370
for years and know how to find them like

1564
01:08:18,910 --> 01:08:16,220
you guys found will Miller very quickly

1565
01:08:21,070 --> 01:08:18,920
I'll bet someone can find the pills of

1566
01:08:22,930 --> 01:08:21,080
some of these other folks these people

1567
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:22,940
have been contacted it's just you know

1568
01:08:24,820 --> 01:08:24,350
you got to kind of approach them the

1569
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:24,830
right way

1570
01:08:29,140 --> 01:08:27,410
like I say I think it would be a big

1571
01:08:32,019 --> 01:08:29,150
feather in your cap there you know and

1572
01:08:33,970 --> 01:08:32,029
I'm cuz I don't have that much of a dog

1573
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:33,980
of the fight I'm expressing my opinion

1574
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:35,690
you know it's like I don't look to

1575
01:08:42,269 --> 01:08:38,170
debunk things or things like that but

1576
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:42,279
you know I'm a pro UFO guy but you know

1577
01:08:47,710 --> 01:08:44,870
you can't believe everything you read

1578
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:47,720
let's put it that way and yeah UFO Pete

1579
01:08:50,230 --> 01:08:48,799
folks say you shouldn't believe

1580
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:50,240
everything you read too unless of course

1581
01:08:57,940 --> 01:08:56,930
I write it but but I think you got to go

1582
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:57,950
back to the drawing board a little bit

1583
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:00,440
and try to get Admiral Wilson pinned in

1584
01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:01,970
Vegas on that particular date if you do

1585
01:09:08,050 --> 01:09:06,380
that that then then I that I might be

1586
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:08,060
willing to turn around but right now I'm

1587
01:09:11,950 --> 01:09:10,130
looking at this thing and am I saying

1588
01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:11,960
this this belongs in the rear view

1589
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:14,060
mirror and we're gonna talk to Paul Dean

1590
01:09:18,370 --> 01:09:15,470
tomorrow night and Steve Bassett on

1591
01:09:20,860 --> 01:09:18,380
Sunday please

1592
01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:20,870
next please but you know it's up to you

1593
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:23,990
guys to get my attention and you know

1594
01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:26,270
maybe well take a closer look in some

1595
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,509
other regard but the document to me on

1596
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:31,759
its own without talking to some people

1597
01:09:35,499 --> 01:09:33,350
without that back in something up

1598
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,509
without somebody going on the record

1599
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:37,520
saying yeah this year that or like I

1600
01:09:41,650 --> 01:09:38,930
said even the simplest thing you could

1601
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:41,660
possibly do pin Wilson into Vegas on the

1602
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:45,370
one the meeting date if you can do that

1603
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:47,480
get back to me when you do that let's

1604
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:48,950
put it that way that's that's how I feel

1605
01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:52,400
about this thing right about that I

1606
01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:54,620
would ask even basa what his opinion is

1607
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:56,360
this document that would be very

1608
01:10:00,730 --> 01:09:58,850
fascinating frankly we will we have him

1609
01:10:02,530 --> 01:10:00,740
on Sunday Paul we definitely are

1610
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:02,540
tomorrow because he's a Don guy so we'll

1611
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:08,090
be talking yeah you know I think I think

1612
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:10,610
that people will be asking a certain

1613
01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:12,110
question they'll be asking many

1614
01:10:16,570 --> 01:10:14,030
questions but among the many questions

1615
01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:16,580
Michael one of them they'll be asking us

1616
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:18,150
why

1617
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:22,730
did grant Cameron not contact a

1618
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:26,489
commander will Miller do you have any

1619
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,360
idea why he did not do that

1620
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:31,679
well here's the here's what's going on

1621
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:33,449
with grant grant approached me because

1622
01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:37,290
he had this document after many weeks

1623
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:40,440
and hours of discussion we decided that

1624
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:42,780
the best way to deal with this docking

1625
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:44,550
would would be to fund it into a

1626
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:47,130
disclosure trust that I created for

1627
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,370
grant so that it can be preserved and or

1628
01:10:55,220 --> 01:10:53,520
if anything happened to grant under the

1629
01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:55,230
circumstances of the trust these

1630
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:58,590
documents would be released so basically

1631
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:01,679
until he decided to come out full force

1632
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:04,020
and expose this document release it

1633
01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:06,420
himself he was not going to go around

1634
01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:08,820
and ask questions about it that's

1635
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:10,739
basically the bottom line well the

1636
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:12,420
original plan was he was going to have

1637
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:14,340
this published a book if I remember

1638
01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:16,140
correctly he was gonna hold he was gonna

1639
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:18,179
try to hold on to it until he was able

1640
01:11:25,340 --> 01:11:22,730
to get a book out yes right that's an

1641
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:25,350
obviously whoever put these documents

1642
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,820
out there I didn't want to wait around

1643
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:29,520
for grants publisher I think you're

1644
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:34,020
right I think you're right one of the

1645
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:35,610
stuff out there that goes to the

1646
01:11:41,419 --> 01:11:38,850
question of who leaked this document I

1647
01:11:45,169 --> 01:11:41,429
have heard the theory being that this is

1648
01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:45,179
green lighted from Pentagon levels on

1649
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:48,600
down to be released so there no one has

1650
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:50,730
been able to come forth and say well

1651
01:11:56,140 --> 01:11:52,770
it's been traced to this or traced

1652
01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:56,150
through that no one knows who leaked it

1653
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,110
didn't meet somebody who had at least

1654
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,719
one copy though we know that say that

1655
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:02,640
again grant did at least meet one person

1656
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:04,860
who had one copy of this are obviously a

1657
01:12:08,780 --> 01:12:07,290
number of copies well basically there

1658
01:12:10,459 --> 01:12:08,790
are thousands of copies now I mean I've

1659
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:10,469
downloaded a copy I've got a copy now

1660
01:12:14,180 --> 01:12:12,090
but at least at one point in time there

1661
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:14,190
had to have been a relatively limited

1662
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:17,610
number of copies and we don't know for

1663
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:19,290
sure if this guy had one or multiple I

1664
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:20,520
mean if he had one he could have made a

1665
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:21,719
million and sent him out and he could

1666
01:12:24,919 --> 01:12:22,770
have been the guy who leaked this as

1667
01:12:26,919 --> 01:12:24,929
well the guy who initially gave the

1668
01:12:30,339 --> 01:12:26,929
document to Grant

1669
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:30,349
it could be okay back to my question

1670
01:12:37,029 --> 01:12:33,409
just remember grant grant is not going

1671
01:12:39,489 --> 01:12:37,039
to identify this person uh no now didn't

1672
01:12:42,189 --> 01:12:39,499
know sure no no I'm sorry yeah a change

1673
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,199
spoke over Michaels answer grant is it

1674
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,760
correct that that grant is not going to

1675
01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:46,239
ID ID the person who gave him the dock

1676
01:12:53,259 --> 01:12:51,800
no he isn't find out who my you know at

1677
01:12:55,299 --> 01:12:53,269
least has a reasonable chance of being

1678
01:13:00,100 --> 01:12:55,309
the person who also leaked the dock you

1679
01:13:03,459 --> 01:13:00,110
don't say well are you guys gonna the

1680
01:13:05,469 --> 01:13:03,469
person the Australian researcher I don't

1681
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:05,479
know what that is you don't know who

1682
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:08,329
that is I don't know I said it was an

1683
01:13:12,219 --> 01:13:10,129
Australian researcher not Keith pastor

1684
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:12,229
field or Poldi beyond that I don't know

1685
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:14,590
oh so you didn't talk with that person

1686
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,329
that claims that he saw this document

1687
01:13:22,509 --> 01:13:19,280
ten years ago I did I spoke to that

1688
01:13:26,169 --> 01:13:22,519
person right before the show today okay

1689
01:13:29,409 --> 01:13:26,179
so Jan yes I do what I was gonna ask you

1690
01:13:32,259 --> 01:13:29,419
again and I am going to be redundant as

1691
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:32,269
I was going to ask you why did grant not

1692
01:13:37,330 --> 01:13:34,489
bother to do his due diligence and

1693
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,340
research this document reason I'm asking

1694
01:13:42,549 --> 01:13:39,199
that is because he's known as a

1695
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,559
researcher and if he wanted to expose

1696
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,719
this document later and have that plan

1697
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:47,360
would he not at least want to back it up

1698
01:13:54,069 --> 01:13:50,840
with some kind of due diligence related

1699
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:54,079
research that is normal the for

1700
01:13:59,919 --> 01:13:57,050
researchers to do regarding documents

1701
01:14:03,969 --> 01:13:59,929
that may need authentication of some

1702
01:14:06,219 --> 01:14:03,979
kind well I think you're giving grant

1703
01:14:08,379 --> 01:14:06,229
Cameron an attribute that's false he is

1704
01:14:10,089 --> 01:14:08,389
probably the more detailed researcher

1705
01:14:13,899 --> 01:14:10,099
that I've ever seen in my life and

1706
01:14:15,699 --> 01:14:13,909
basically he is during the last six to

1707
01:14:18,129 --> 01:14:15,709
eight months that he's had this document

1708
01:14:19,540 --> 01:14:18,139
he was going through trying just like I

1709
01:14:22,089 --> 01:14:19,550
was trying to figure out if there was

1710
01:14:24,369 --> 01:14:22,099
any discrepancies in this document that

1711
01:14:25,979 --> 01:14:24,379
we could pick apart so for sure he's

1712
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:25,989
doing that he's not going to contact

1713
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:28,489
commander Miller he's not going to

1714
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:31,129
contact some of these remote viewers

1715
01:14:36,669 --> 01:14:34,489
that would basically tip his tip to hat

1716
01:14:38,529 --> 01:14:36,679
that he actually had this document no

1717
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:38,539
one knew that he actually had this

1718
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:40,370
document

1719
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,690
okay well my question would still remain

1720
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:44,880
the same regardless of what you just

1721
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:48,000
said because my point is you could call

1722
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:50,250
well Miller and to ask him questions

1723
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:52,620
you know without open actually state you

1724
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:54,300
ask him the questions that you want to

1725
01:14:59,420 --> 01:14:55,980
to basically confirm hey do you know Bob

1726
01:15:01,490 --> 01:14:59,430
Beckwith you know this guy in Vegas who

1727
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:01,500
ran the business so on and so forth

1728
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,480
I mean they'll be a little suspicious

1729
01:15:08,210 --> 01:15:05,460
why he's calling and asking about Bob

1730
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:08,220
Beckwith maybe it is and maybe it isn't

1731
01:15:13,220 --> 01:15:11,610
but you know you gotta gotta make some

1732
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:13,230
kind of an effort here if you want to

1733
01:15:15,980 --> 01:15:14,340
put this forward and say well I

1734
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:15,990
understand grant that isn't putting this

1735
01:15:18,230 --> 01:15:16,530
forward

1736
01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:18,240
I don't know as he got closer to

1737
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,980
publication time that he might have done

1738
01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:21,600
all those things he wasn't expecting it

1739
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:22,550
to come out either

1740
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,170
that's my I'm just you know is that

1741
01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:26,400
about right or is that a wrong

1742
01:15:28,970 --> 01:15:28,260
assumption I'm assuming that he didn't

1743
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:28,980
know this was it

1744
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:32,460
gonna drop Oh exactly no this came out

1745
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:33,840
if he hadn't checked up on the fact that

1746
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:36,630
it had been on written on reddit for

1747
01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:38,940
roughly a month and a half no and I

1748
01:15:43,460 --> 01:15:39,750
didn't either

1749
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,470
so that's for sure yeah matter of fact I

1750
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:45,360
didn't hear from anyone either

1751
01:15:51,620 --> 01:15:49,410
that it was out and ready okay so wait

1752
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:51,630
Frank can be a useful place but I'll go

1753
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:54,300
there and and I don't know I think one

1754
01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:56,490
more one more point Chad it was sitting

1755
01:16:02,300 --> 01:15:59,340
in the reddit forum now most of the UFO

1756
01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:02,310
nuts over at reddit go to the UFO forum

1757
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:04,350
and this was actually sitting on the

1758
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,060
aliens forum so I don't know that that's

1759
01:16:14,420 --> 01:16:11,760
well I would think that caused part of

1760
01:16:16,370 --> 01:16:14,430
the delay in the the you know the at

1761
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:16,380
large UFO crowd and picking up on it in

1762
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,730
the first place I think we would have

1763
01:16:22,220 --> 01:16:19,440
picked up on a lot quicker if it had

1764
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:22,230
been posted in the UFO forum does

1765
01:16:28,580 --> 01:16:24,570
anybody have a screenshot of that I do

1766
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:28,590
not but I'll go with it and if I'm wrong

1767
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,780
I'll you know cut my pay 10% that would

1768
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:36,060
be interesting to see if ya know I

1769
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:38,130
wouldn't be interested on see my pay cut

1770
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:40,590
10% wouldn't would be I'd have to get a

1771
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:43,080
day job now that would be interesting to

1772
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:45,420
see if it was actually proven that it

1773
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:48,840
was released on reddit uh well you know

1774
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,480
like I said it's been talked about it's

1775
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:52,800
been confirmed by enough people it's

1776
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:53,130
been over

1777
01:17:00,980 --> 01:16:56,760
therefore so Jack date I don't know so

1778
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:00,990
it so is this 15 page memo what do you

1779
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:03,570
mean you're saying that just because a

1780
01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:05,370
lot of folks confirm this thing was

1781
01:17:12,230 --> 01:17:09,420
released on reddit I cope equate that to

1782
01:17:14,780 --> 01:17:12,240
there's a lot of folks including Richard

1783
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:14,790
Dolan and others that have confirmed the

1784
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,980
existence of this memo before sure sure

1785
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,800
sure but what I'm saying is it got out

1786
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:24,900
it was first leaked or or somebody got

1787
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:26,670
hold of it imposed on reddit and maybe

1788
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:28,890
it didn't get enough they decided to go

1789
01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:33,120
with the immigrant yeah and that's what

1790
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:34,710
I'd like to prove somebody somebody

1791
01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:36,330
obviously wanted it out there put it

1792
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,590
there I think that's fairly obvious

1793
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:40,560
that's not that too too much of a leap

1794
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:42,810
there I don't assumption somebody

1795
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,960
obviously wanted it exactly yeah and in

1796
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:47,760
fairness to grant we don't know that

1797
01:17:51,710 --> 01:17:49,650
when the time is right as he got closer

1798
01:17:54,110 --> 01:17:51,720
to a publication date he wasn't going to

1799
01:17:59,840 --> 01:17:54,120
do all this stuff again this came out

1800
01:18:01,760 --> 01:17:59,850
not under his control he did not do this

1801
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:01,770
stuff I'm gonna tell you right now he

1802
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,010
did do his due diligence for from the

1803
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:06,960
very beginning otherwise he wouldn't

1804
01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:10,620
even contacted me and indeed together he

1805
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:15,420
did due diligence as well okay I mean

1806
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:17,370
you're not revealing the source of the

1807
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,840
document I I did did you make contacts

1808
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:23,520
did you talk about to people that said

1809
01:18:29,930 --> 01:18:27,090
yeah this is legit no no I did the due

1810
01:18:31,580 --> 01:18:29,940
diligence of the details of the document

1811
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,590
I'm trying to find out if dates are

1812
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:34,320
incorrect if names are in incorrect or

1813
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:37,410
made-up if organizations existed at the

1814
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:39,300
time those are what I'm talking about

1815
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:41,460
vetting the document yeah well they got

1816
01:18:47,540 --> 01:18:43,380
that right they got that right as far as

1817
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,550
the intersection in Vegas you know I

1818
01:18:50,660 --> 01:18:48,960
mean that was one of the first things

1819
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:50,670
that I checked out the intersection in

1820
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,090
Vegas down the street the the old EG&G

1821
01:19:00,320 --> 01:18:57,600
building it's right there you know we

1822
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:00,330
did that kind of stuff here and I'm

1823
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:02,310
wondering why the be you know why the

1824
01:19:06,230 --> 01:19:04,410
folks who are saying this is the leak of

1825
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:06,240
the century aren't really providing

1826
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:06,690
those

1827
01:19:12,979 --> 01:19:10,770
about this is the leak of the century

1828
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:12,989
let me read through this and not really

1829
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:15,540
do at least provide any of the

1830
01:19:19,970 --> 01:19:16,920
background checking that might have been

1831
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:19,980
done and just saying this is incredible

1832
01:19:24,140 --> 01:19:22,860
the the the you know major news media is

1833
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:24,150
going to pick up on this before you know

1834
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:26,280
it and this is going to blow up into

1835
01:19:31,459 --> 01:19:29,880
something incredible and on this yeah I

1836
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,469
don't see I don't see the news media

1837
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:33,840
picking up on this if it just isn't

1838
01:19:38,209 --> 01:19:35,640
enough to go on at this point you need

1839
01:19:44,050 --> 01:19:38,219
more you need you need a lot more pin

1840
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:44,060
down yeah I would agree with you okay

1841
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:46,730
yeah I'm glad that you mentioned that

1842
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:49,830
Grant Cameron did to his due diligence

1843
01:19:55,340 --> 01:19:52,260
regarding this document he explained how

1844
01:20:01,250 --> 01:19:55,350
he did and you also explained his plan

1845
01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:01,260
regarding why he wanted to reveal the

1846
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:03,180
document in the matter he did and also

1847
01:20:09,229 --> 01:20:06,710
not revealed a document to folks that

1848
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:09,239
were mentioned in the document because

1849
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:11,190
he didn't want to give the document away

1850
01:20:16,189 --> 01:20:13,890
that would be correct right yes and

1851
01:20:20,150 --> 01:20:16,199
specifically grant was going to at that

1852
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:20,160
point redact the document from means he

1853
01:20:25,670 --> 01:20:22,260
was not going to release the document

1854
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:25,680
outing people that was what we discussed

1855
01:20:32,959 --> 01:20:28,410
so you know does that include the names

1856
01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:32,969
of Wilson and Davis no no those well let

1857
01:20:38,060 --> 01:20:35,460
me tell you this yes that included

1858
01:20:39,530 --> 01:20:38,070
redacting Wilson and Davis's names

1859
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:39,540
that's exactly what we talked about

1860
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:43,380
because that would kind of be a domino

1861
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:45,000
effect on some of these other things

1862
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:46,560
that were getting into the details of

1863
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:49,410
these meetings so indeed that was grants

1864
01:20:54,260 --> 01:20:51,810
theory that he is going to get this

1865
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:54,270
document out there redacted take all the

1866
01:20:58,459 --> 01:20:55,800
names out of it and he was going to

1867
01:21:00,620 --> 01:20:58,469
allow the researchers out there that

1868
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:00,630
know about the details and have been

1869
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:03,230
talking about this document to actually

1870
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:06,120
supply the names and that's that's

1871
01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:08,640
basically where he was headed when all

1872
01:21:14,990 --> 01:21:11,640
of a sudden this thing was unredacted

1873
01:21:21,570 --> 01:21:19,650
okay yeah I'm glad that she mentioned

1874
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:21,580
that because uh you know grant Cameron

1875
01:21:27,780 --> 01:21:24,790
has been researching the topic if you

1876
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:27,790
follow G and other phenomena since 1974

1877
01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:32,290
1975 and you know he's an icon in the

1878
01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:34,030
field of ufology also I'd like to

1879
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:35,980
mention something about grant cameron

1880
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:37,450
that i've mentioned a few times that you

1881
01:21:43,410 --> 01:21:39,820
said was completely accurate michael and

1882
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:43,420
that is the grant cameron would never

1883
01:21:51,570 --> 01:21:46,810
ever accept a document that is

1884
01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:51,580
classified from anyone right and this

1885
01:21:57,870 --> 01:21:55,180
document is not classified it does not

1886
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,880
have any DoD markings on it it does not

1887
01:22:03,420 --> 01:21:59,920
have a classification mark of any kind

1888
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:03,430
on it this document is unclad it is

1889
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:05,950
actually not not classified at all

1890
01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:09,430
correct Michael yes exactly and that

1891
01:22:14,190 --> 01:22:12,340
even goes to Grant's even further

1892
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:14,200
sterling personality and in fact it even

1893
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:17,440
though it was unclassified he still did

1894
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:19,960
not want to out the actual people in the

1895
01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:21,910
document itself he was willing to get

1896
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:24,340
the document out for the purposes of the

1897
01:22:33,780 --> 01:22:32,170
details but not the names okay thank you

1898
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:33,790
very much for having confirmed that

1899
01:22:40,350 --> 01:22:36,060
really appreciate it you know and uh

1900
01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:40,360
this show was not meant to throw any

1901
01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:42,640
shade at Grant Cameron at all it was

1902
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:45,480
really just meant to review this

1903
01:22:51,570 --> 01:22:49,390
interesting smoking gun document that so

1904
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:51,580
graciously gave us I want to jump in

1905
01:22:57,570 --> 01:22:55,510
here and just say look we're disagreeing

1906
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,580
here without being disagreeable that we

1907
01:23:02,670 --> 01:22:59,440
don't want to start you know a lot of

1908
01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:02,680
heated back-and-forth over this you know

1909
01:23:07,050 --> 01:23:05,140
we followed up on the leads that we had

1910
01:23:10,890 --> 01:23:07,060
that based on now the document was there

1911
01:23:12,990 --> 01:23:10,900
and my experience and the leads that we

1912
01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:13,000
generated the conversations that we had

1913
01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:17,190
with the commander and you know it

1914
01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:19,660
raising some serious questions for me

1915
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:23,380
and a lot of serious charges have gotten

1916
01:23:26,730 --> 01:23:24,880
flown around to I mean basically we're

1917
01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:26,740
talking about yeah this is a this is a

1918
01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:28,620
forgery this is a fake at least the one

1919
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:31,710
part so you know obviously ya know

1920
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:34,530
forgery is inferred regarding the the

1921
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:36,420
notes from the meeting because you know

1922
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:38,520
the way it stands for me now looks to me

1923
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:41,370
like it's a just complete fanfiction but

1924
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:44,070
you know so there are serious charges

1925
01:23:48,380 --> 01:23:45,930
being thrown around let's face it you

1926
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:48,390
know the commander himself is saying

1927
01:23:53,540 --> 01:23:50,910
that basically the the letter part of

1928
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:53,550
the documents pages 3 & 4 of the letter

1929
01:23:59,060 --> 01:23:57,360
part is a fabrication and that is pretty

1930
01:24:02,510 --> 01:23:59,070
serious but that's where we're at now

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01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:02,520
and I think that you know basically the

1932
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:04,410
ball is in the proponents court you've

1933
01:24:09,980 --> 01:24:07,050
got to bring something back to the table

1934
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:09,990
here and that's the clear some of this

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01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:12,210
stuff up and like I say I don't want to

1936
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:14,340
sound like a broken record but I think

1937
01:24:20,060 --> 01:24:16,890
you got to put Admiral Wilson in Vegas

1938
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,070
and yeah again that that would be a help

1939
01:24:24,740 --> 01:24:22,440
but still I don't think it proves much

1940
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:24,750
of anything and obviously he's spoken

1941
01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:26,190
before about this he's basically a

1942
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:29,430
denied that the sort of things outlined

1943
01:24:35,540 --> 01:24:32,610
in the claims from Mitchell and Greer

1944
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:35,550
were act and actually the commander

1945
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:37,410
confirmed that as well that wasn't any

1946
01:24:41,540 --> 01:24:39,270
follow up on the Navy's part after that

1947
01:24:44,420 --> 01:24:41,550
meeting with Greer and so I mean that's

1948
01:24:46,660 --> 01:24:44,430
where it's at I wish you good luck you

1949
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:46,670
know I hope I'm wrong about this but

1950
01:24:52,340 --> 01:24:49,610
it's it's not looking through to me

1951
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:52,350
thank you both yep by the way then on

1952
01:24:57,550 --> 01:24:54,450
page 15 there is a wrench thrown in

1953
01:25:02,600 --> 01:24:57,560
there where gansler says UFOs are real

1954
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:02,610
alien abductions are not you will be

1955
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:03,900
tough to get hold of because he has

1956
01:25:13,820 --> 01:25:05,490
passed away resource that's one guy you

1957
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:13,830
can't read interesting yeah yeah you

1958
01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:15,480
have the proponents say you got to come

1959
01:25:19,460 --> 01:25:17,340
back with a little bit more than the

1960
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,470
memo itself and there's just not enough

1961
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:21,360
here you need some people to go on the

1962
01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:23,370
record and need a few things some

1963
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:26,580
details confirmed what I was going to

1964
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:29,570
say is I talked to commander will Miller

1965
01:25:39,620 --> 01:25:36,510
about the journal that Eric Davis was

1966
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,630
allegedly wrote in this smoking gun

1967
01:25:42,859 --> 01:25:40,800
document

1968
01:25:46,819 --> 01:25:42,869
and I asked what he thought about it and

1969
01:25:50,330 --> 01:25:46,829
he said that he had a hard time with it

1970
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:50,340
because it looks it looked to him from

1971
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:53,400
her his perspective and that Eric Davis

1972
01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:56,460
if he wrote this journal would have to

1973
01:26:01,819 --> 01:25:59,400
have had a photographic memory in order

1974
01:26:04,209 --> 01:26:01,829
to have written the journal and the

1975
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:04,219
massive detail that he did

1976
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:07,670
either that or a digital recorder yeah

1977
01:26:14,270 --> 01:26:11,760
good point yes very good point and so

1978
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:14,280
you know who who do you know can

1979
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:17,070
actually write in this manner as if

1980
01:26:24,589 --> 01:26:20,070
they're writing a play line for line

1981
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:24,599
that accurately if it were allegedly

1982
01:26:29,149 --> 01:26:28,110
that accurate did you see a fad maybe

1983
01:26:35,209 --> 01:26:29,159
yeah

1984
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:35,219
dr. Davis no shorthand who do you know

1985
01:26:42,049 --> 01:26:38,219
can actually write in that manner after

1986
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:42,059
having had I don't know hours of me

1987
01:26:51,020 --> 01:26:45,090
hours many hours of a meeting or days of

1988
01:26:54,740 --> 01:26:51,030
our trip but but to actually then write

1989
01:26:58,339 --> 01:26:54,750
you know 10 minutes of a meeting

1990
01:27:01,939 --> 01:26:58,349
word for word exactly how an individual

1991
01:27:04,459 --> 01:27:01,949
may have spoke and the behavior patterns

1992
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:04,469
they may have had and the reactions that

1993
01:27:10,069 --> 01:27:07,170
they may have given are registered to

1994
01:27:13,819 --> 01:27:10,079
questions or answers it's almost written

1995
01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:13,829
like a play so a you know a commander

1996
01:27:20,299 --> 01:27:17,239
will Miller said that he had an issue

1997
01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:20,309
that he that from his perspective it

1998
01:27:27,919 --> 01:27:25,020
just felt to him as though this would

1999
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:27,929
have to have been done in the manner of

2000
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:29,940
somebody that had a photographic memory

2001
01:27:34,839 --> 01:27:32,369
that was his perspective there is a clue

2002
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:34,849
in this document of how this thing was

2003
01:27:38,410 --> 01:27:37,770
put down in a transcript form because at

2004
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:38,420
one point

2005
01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:41,790
Admiral Wilson is asking a Davis towards

2006
01:27:47,299 --> 01:27:43,860
the end of the interview what are you

2007
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:47,309
going to do with this the idea being

2008
01:27:52,180 --> 01:27:49,800
that maybe Davis is taking notes at the

2009
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:52,190
same time he's asking questions and or

2010
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,760
maybe

2011
01:27:59,780 --> 01:27:55,440
Admiral Wilson is asking what are you

2012
01:28:02,030 --> 01:27:59,790
gonna do with this recording yeah and if

2013
01:28:04,460 --> 01:28:02,040
the the meeting did happen is purported

2014
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:04,470
I could see that as is happening you

2015
01:28:08,630 --> 01:28:07,110
know I'm not I'm not too concerned about

2016
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:08,640
that that's not one of my big gripes

2017
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:12,090
with the document so yeah but yeah it's

2018
01:28:16,370 --> 01:28:13,260
something that the commander brought up

2019
01:28:19,130 --> 01:28:16,380
it's something that struck him so I do

2020
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:19,140
have a I before we wrap up I do have a

2021
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:22,860
question for Michael and and it's a

2022
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:26,489
two-tiered question the question is what

2023
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,489
is the takeaway from this document the

2024
01:28:33,979 --> 01:28:31,620
smoking gun document what is the

2025
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:33,989
takeaway for you whether you know we'd

2026
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:36,330
nitpick it and tear it apart or somebody

2027
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:39,090
else does regardless just let all that

2028
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:41,970
go away and just from your perspective

2029
01:28:46,460 --> 01:28:44,130
how you feel about the document what you

2030
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:46,470
think is important what is your takeaway

2031
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:49,530
from it what I take away from this

2032
01:28:55,190 --> 01:28:52,560
document if indeed anything in this

2033
01:28:58,820 --> 01:28:55,200
document is correct it looks to me that

2034
01:29:01,130 --> 01:28:58,830
there is a private organization or cabal

2035
01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:01,140
whatever you want to call it who is in

2036
01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:04,430
charge of independent civilian

2037
01:29:08,150 --> 01:29:06,420
subcontractors that are working for the

2038
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:08,160
government that don't have any

2039
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:10,530
government oversight military oversight

2040
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:14,370
or any oversight at all other than their

2041
01:29:20,780 --> 01:29:17,840
own bigot lists and their own basic

2042
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:20,790
ideas of who they should allow into this

2043
01:29:27,770 --> 01:29:24,480
program plus the Pentagon backed them up

2044
01:29:29,810 --> 01:29:27,780
and and that general proposition can be

2045
01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:29,820
true in these documents still be fake

2046
01:29:39,380 --> 01:29:34,550
and that's when I take away from this

2047
01:29:42,729 --> 01:29:39,390
and so let's just say this document was

2048
01:29:48,380 --> 01:29:42,739
authentic in its entirety

2049
01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:48,390
what would the American public what

2050
01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:50,160
would they take from this what is the

2051
01:29:55,630 --> 01:29:54,360
value of it to them I think if the

2052
01:29:59,000 --> 01:29:55,640
President of the United States

2053
01:30:01,760 --> 01:29:59,010
congressional members and staffers in

2054
01:30:04,580 --> 01:30:01,770
the military are not involved in

2055
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,590
potentially whatever you want to call it

2056
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:06,239
crash which we will reverse in

2057
01:30:11,060 --> 01:30:08,610
nearing programs or anything that even

2058
01:30:14,540 --> 01:30:11,070
has to do with recovered Soviet or

2059
01:30:17,299 --> 01:30:14,550
Chinese technology let's put it that way

2060
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:17,309
let's call it terrestrial reverse

2061
01:30:22,819 --> 01:30:20,159
engineering mmm-hmm I have are elected

2062
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:22,829
and military officials do not know about

2063
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:27,840
it there's a problem alright yeah we

2064
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:30,090
want to wrap up now chant adjust finally

2065
01:30:33,799 --> 01:30:31,710
yeah thanks for coming on Michael I

2066
01:30:35,089 --> 01:30:33,809
really do appreciate we were we're and

2067
01:30:37,790 --> 01:30:35,099
you know we're you didn't spend as much

2068
01:30:39,529 --> 01:30:37,800
time as with us as you did with Jimmy

2069
01:30:40,850 --> 01:30:39,539
Church but we were a little tougher on

2070
01:30:42,169 --> 01:30:40,860
you so they might have been more intense

2071
01:30:43,939 --> 01:30:42,179
minutes and you didn't get commercial

2072
01:30:46,879 --> 01:30:43,949
breaks so I really appreciate it I

2073
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:46,889
really do oh you guys are awesome thank

2074
01:30:51,529 --> 01:30:49,110
you Frank and chant this was the best

2075
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:51,539
discussion I've ever had so far Oh bleep

2076
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:53,699
no Frank actually I'm sorry I do have

2077
01:31:00,680 --> 01:30:58,010
another question okay hahaha sorry

2078
01:31:02,540 --> 01:31:00,690
Michael my question is what is the

2079
01:31:06,020 --> 01:31:02,550
takeaway for Grant Cameron on this

2080
01:31:09,229 --> 01:31:06,030
document did he share that with you no

2081
01:31:12,109 --> 01:31:09,239
not yet I would imagine you've got to

2082
01:31:13,759 --> 01:31:12,119
realize that for the six to eight month

2083
01:31:16,459 --> 01:31:13,769
period that Grant Cameron has been

2084
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:16,469
living with this knowledge of a document

2085
01:31:20,660 --> 01:31:17,010
like this

2086
01:31:23,049 --> 01:31:20,670
he has only that not a day goes by where

2087
01:31:26,959 --> 01:31:23,059
he at least spends two hours or more

2088
01:31:29,029 --> 01:31:26,969
just mulling over the fact that he has

2089
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:29,039
the document what he should do with it

2090
01:31:35,180 --> 01:31:31,530
to stress that this man has been under I

2091
01:31:36,739 --> 01:31:35,190
can verify and I think I'm hoping that

2092
01:31:39,919 --> 01:31:36,749
he's gonna get a little bit of a

2093
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,929
vindication of you know what he can rest

2094
01:31:45,169 --> 01:31:41,760
a little bit now that this thing is out

2095
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:45,179
there the whole idea of having a secret

2096
01:31:50,989 --> 01:31:47,730
like this that could be the smoking gun

2097
01:31:52,910 --> 01:31:50,999
UFO memo of the century and not being

2098
01:31:55,700 --> 01:31:52,920
able to tell people about it has got to

2099
01:31:57,919 --> 01:31:55,710
be very stressful and I also like to

2100
01:32:00,169 --> 01:31:57,929
make clear but I need you to do it for

2101
01:32:01,939 --> 01:32:00,179
us Michael so I'll go ahead and give you

2102
01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:01,949
the question so you can set us straight

2103
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:04,409
and set the whole world straight on this

2104
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:07,679
the document that Grant Cameron has

2105
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:09,360
within his possession this smoking gun

2106
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:12,420
document is it the original or is it a

2107
01:32:18,169 --> 01:32:16,409
copy um I don't know if the document

2108
01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:18,179
that he initially was given was an

2109
01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:19,980
original or a copy

2110
01:32:25,070 --> 01:32:21,780
I do believe it probably came off of a

2111
01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:25,080
computer printout that he got

2112
01:32:29,450 --> 01:32:27,150
but basically grant is confirming that

2113
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:29,460
the document that's being released right

2114
01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:33,030
now is the same one that he had okay I'm

2115
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:36,030
glad you said that that obviously if we

2116
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,090
do accept the document as purported it

2117
01:32:43,070 --> 01:32:41,520
was obviously typed in after the fact

2118
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,080
it's not like no one's suggesting that

2119
01:32:49,450 --> 01:32:45,120
Eric Davis had his laptop with him for

2120
01:32:52,460 --> 01:32:49,460
example typing these notes out again

2121
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:52,470
reasonable if they're legit that he had

2122
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:54,930
some kind of a mini recorder or I was

2123
01:32:59,960 --> 01:32:57,210
taking a very good notes and I was able

2124
01:33:03,140 --> 01:32:59,970
to type up his notes after the meeting

2125
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,150
right and that the perspective that to

2126
01:33:09,460 --> 01:33:05,280
commander will Miller shared regarding

2127
01:33:12,530 --> 01:33:09,470
he felt just having quickly scanned that

2128
01:33:14,810 --> 01:33:12,540
this smoking gun document his first

2129
01:33:18,590 --> 01:33:14,820
reaction was that this would need to

2130
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:18,600
have been possibly a person with

2131
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:21,090
photographic memory to have that kind of

2132
01:33:27,470 --> 01:33:24,450
great recall that does not necessarily

2133
01:33:30,350 --> 01:33:27,480
reflect anybody else's opinion on this

2134
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:30,360
show or you know anybody else that we

2135
01:33:34,580 --> 01:33:32,490
know also to give a commander will

2136
01:33:37,940 --> 01:33:34,590
Miller the benefit the doubt he may not

2137
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:37,950
have had the opportunity to really give

2138
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:40,110
a little bit more benefit of the doubt

2139
01:33:44,690 --> 01:33:41,910
in the sense that Frank just shared that

2140
01:33:47,690 --> 01:33:44,700
it he said that if Eric Davis did

2141
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:47,700
actually write this journal that he

2142
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:49,710
whether he had a recorder on him or

2143
01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:51,210
whether he had some kind of word

2144
01:33:55,850 --> 01:33:53,580
processor or typewriter whatever you

2145
01:33:58,850 --> 01:33:55,860
know or writing notes while he's talking

2146
01:34:01,970 --> 01:33:58,860
to somebody we don't know that's up in

2147
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:01,980
there yeah there's that's not that's not

2148
01:34:05,180 --> 01:34:03,090
a part of the document I have a

2149
01:34:09,790 --> 01:34:05,190
particular issue with but still it's

2150
01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:09,800
important it's funny because you know

2151
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:12,540
people feel like the certain parts of

2152
01:34:15,710 --> 01:34:13,890
this document are more important than

2153
01:34:18,590 --> 01:34:15,720
the other and when I was speaking to

2154
01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:18,600
commander will Miller today I knew for a

2155
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:21,300
fact that all the questions I had asked

2156
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,610
him would not have been enough because I

2157
01:34:27,710 --> 01:34:25,440
knew later that when I brought up

2158
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:27,720
everything that he had to say somebody

2159
01:34:32,450 --> 01:34:29,820
else would say up but did you ask this

2160
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:32,460
and you know rightfully so of course you

2161
01:34:35,010 --> 01:34:33,400
know but this

2162
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,020
more important did you ask him this and

2163
01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:37,360
you know it's like how can anybody be

2164
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:40,750
that omnipresent to have known you know

2165
01:34:51,649 --> 01:34:44,530
hey let's ask you in totality all the

2166
01:34:56,130 --> 01:34:53,939
right so there's no way I could have

2167
01:34:59,490 --> 01:34:56,140
asked everybody's question of him today

2168
01:35:01,979 --> 01:34:59,500
but I did do the best I could understand

2169
01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:01,989
you know I think we did a great job here

2170
01:35:05,459 --> 01:35:03,550
we got a source on the record who's

2171
01:35:08,970 --> 01:35:05,469
intrinsically involved in these docs and

2172
01:35:13,050 --> 01:35:08,980
that's where we're at right now and yeah

2173
01:35:17,399 --> 01:35:13,060
I think it's back it's back in your

2174
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:17,409
court Michael you know for for us to get

2175
01:35:20,399 --> 01:35:19,210
interested in this again you're gonna

2176
01:35:24,419 --> 01:35:20,409
have to come back with something more I

2177
01:35:26,010 --> 01:35:24,429
think my pleasure okay thank you very

2178
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:26,020
much for having been honor by the way I

2179
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,610
would like to let everybody know that

2180
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:29,920
Michael Hall the paranormal lawyer who

2181
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:32,290
is a head of the UFO eye team is a

2182
01:35:38,850 --> 01:35:36,010
regular on our panels for a reason we

2183
01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:38,860
absolutely adore him he is an authority

2184
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:42,280
on many topics he goes back decades

2185
01:35:48,330 --> 01:35:46,030
regarding the topic of ufology he has

2186
01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:48,340
known many iconic people in the realm of

2187
01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:50,620
ufology and has had personal

2188
01:35:54,630 --> 01:35:52,900
relationships with them and so we just

2189
01:35:56,250 --> 01:35:54,640
really are so grateful to have had you

2190
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:56,260
on the show today thank you so much for

2191
01:35:59,729 --> 01:35:56,800
your time

2192
01:36:01,950 --> 01:35:59,739
Oh Thank You Janet thanks appreciate it

2193
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:01,960
and I wish you good luck you know

2194
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:04,570
I urge the folks listening you know even

2195
01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:06,850
if you are skeptical of this type of

2196
01:36:11,790 --> 01:36:09,550
thing and yeah you should be in terms of

2197
01:36:13,169 --> 01:36:11,800
literal truth you never know there might

2198
01:36:15,810 --> 01:36:13,179
be a lead in there for you it might be

2199
01:36:18,959 --> 01:36:15,820
something something really good could

2200
01:36:23,220 --> 01:36:18,969
come out of this even if the this

2201
01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:23,230
particularly cabela's up so I mean to

2202
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:25,030
stay on it because you just never know

2203
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:27,400
it's a crazy field and who knows if

2204
01:36:31,169 --> 01:36:29,170
something's buried in there again now we

2205
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:31,179
don't know for sure who put these

2206
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:33,610
together maybe it was Erik Davis

2207
01:36:38,729 --> 01:36:36,250
maybe it wasn't but he's still saying no

2208
01:36:40,050 --> 01:36:38,739
comment we will see and good night

2209
01:36:41,459 --> 01:36:40,060
everybody we'll be back tomorrow night